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This tag is for questions about proving that some statement is independent from a theory, meaning it is neither provable nor refutable from that theory. Common examples are the continuum hypothesis from the axioms of ZFC, and the axiom of choice from the axioms of ZF.

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What are some reasonable-sounding statements that are independent of ZFC?

Every now and then, somebody will tell me about a question. When I start thinking about it, they say, "actually, it's undecidable in ZFC." For example, suppose $A$ is an abelian group such ...
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Relationship between fragments of the axiom of choice and the dependent choice principles

The dependent choice principle ${\rm DC}_\kappa$ states that if $S$ is a nonempty set and $R$ is a binary relation such that for every $s\in S^{\lt\kappa}$, there is $x\in S$ with $sRx$, then there ...
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Minimal subset of axioms for ZFC

Hello all, one may look for "minimal system of axioms" for ZFC (or any other theory) in the following (unusual) sense : say that a subset S of ZFC is "sufficient" if there is an explicit procedure ...
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Is there an "undecided" assertion of which a proof that it's not undecidable is known?

Just a curiosity: Is there an assertion of which a proof (formalizable, say, in ZFC) is not known but a proof that it's not undecidable (in ZFC) is known? Edit: after the comments, I think the ...
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A contradiction in the Set Theory of von Neumann–Bernays–Gödel?

Thinking on the theory NBG (of von Neumann–Bernays–Gödel) I arrived at the conclusion that it is contradictory using an argument resembling Russell's Paradox. I am sure that I made a mistake in my ...
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A new cardinal characteristic (related to partitions)?

In this post I will discuss some cardinal characteristic of the continuum, related to partitions of $\omega$ and would like to know if it is equal to some known cardinal characteristic. By a partition ...
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Is it still an open problem whether $\mathbb{R}^\omega$ is normal in the box topology?

On page 205 of his Topology textbook, James Munkres made an interesting remark: It is not known whether $\mathbb{R}^\omega$ is normal in the box topology. Mary-Ellen Rudin has shown that the answer ...
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Is $\mathfrak j_{2:1}=\mathfrak{j}_{2:2}$ in ZFC?

A function $f:\omega\to\omega$ is called $\bullet$ 2-to-1 if $|f^{-1}(y)|\le 2$ for any $y\in\omega$; $\bullet$ almost injective if the set $\{y\in \omega:|f^{-1}(y)|>1\}$ is finite. Let us ...
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Formal proof of Con(ZFC) => Con(ZFC + not CH) in ZFC

Is it possible to prove $Con(ZFC) \rightarrow Con(ZFC + \neg CH)$ purely within ZFC? To prove this (using forcing) one seems to need a countable transitive model of ZFC. The texts I am reading avoid ...
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The existence of definable subsets of finite sets in NBG

This question is motivated by my preceding MO-question on (in)consistency of NBG theory of classes. Let $\varphi(x,Y,C)$ be a formula of NBG with free parameters $x,Y,C$ and all quantifiers running ...
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How undecidable is the spectral gap?

Nature just published a paper by Cubitt, Perez-Garcia and Wolf titled Undecidability of the Spectral Gap, there is an extended version on arxiv which is 146 pages long. Here is from the abstract:"Many ...
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Nice algebraic statements independent from ZF + V=L (constructibility)

Background and motivation I've always been fascinated about algebraic statements independent from ZFC set theory. One such fascinating example comes from considering $\rm{Ext}^1_\mathbb{Z}(A,\mathbb{Z}...
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What's the earliest result (outside of logic) that cannot be proven constructively?

Although mathematicians usually do not work in constructive mathematics per se, their results often are constructively valid (even if the original proof isn't). An obvious counter-example is the law ...
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Kaplansky's conjecture and Martin's axiom

Recall Kaplansky's conjecture which states that every algebra homomorphism from the Banach algebra C(X) (where X is a compact Hausdorff topological space) into any other Banach algebra, is ...
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Reference Request: Independence of the ultrafilter lemma from ZF

I'm looking for references for the following facts concerning the ultrafilter lemma (~ "there exist non-principal ultrafilters"): The ultrafilter lemma is independent of ZF. ZF + the ultrafilter ...
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Intuition behind Pincus' "injectively bounded statements"

In David Pincus, Zermelo-Fraenkel Consistency Results by Fraenkel-Mostowski Methods, The Journal of Symbolic Logic, Vol. 37, No. 4 (Dec., 1972), pp. 721-743 Pincus introduces the notion of ...
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Given a cardinal k, what's the biggest dense linear order with a dense subset of size k?

It's not hard to show that for any cardinal $\kappa$, there is no dense linear order without endpoints (DLO) of size greater than $2^{\kappa}$ that has a dense subset of size $\kappa$. But one can ...
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Natural statements independent from true $\Pi^0_2$ sentences

I am looking for sentences in the language of first order arithmetic ($0,1,+,\cdot,\leq$) which are independent from $\Pi^0_2$ consequences of true arithmetic $\Pi^0_2\text{-}\mathsf{Th}(\mathbb{N})$. ...
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A surjection from square onto power: Is limit Hartogs/Lindenbaum number necessary?

I am considering the construction in [Peng—Shen—Wu] in which the authors show the consistency of a set $X$ such that there is a surjection from $X^2$ onto the power set of $X$ (henceforth $\mathscr{P}(...
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How bad a proper forcing of size $\aleph_1$ can be?

This question concerns proper forcings of size $\aleph_1$. In the context of $\rm ZFC+\neg CH$, I couldn't find any counter example to the following property. Suppose $\mathbb P$ is a proper forcing ...
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A topologically transitive dynamical system without dense orbits

By a dynamical system I understand a pair $(K,G)$ consisting a compact Hausdorff space and a subgroup $G$ of the homeomorphism group of $K$. We say that a dynamical system $(K,G)$ $\bullet$ is ...
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