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About synonymy relationships around these two theories?
The following question is about patterns of synonymy relationships around two theories, $T^+$ and $\sf PA$.
For purposes of self inclusiveness I'll re-iterate $T$ and its extensions.
$\textbf{Logic:}$ ...
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Which arithmetic\set theory is synonymous with this theory?
$\textbf{Logic:}$ Mono-sorted first order logic with equality.
$\textbf{Extralogical Primitives: } <, \in$
Define: $x > y \iff y < x$
Define: $x \leq y \iff x < y \lor x=y$
$ \textbf{...
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To which arithmetic\set theory this theory is bi-interpretable?
$\textbf{Logic:}$ Mono-sorted first order logic with equality.
$\textbf{Extralogical Primitives: } <, \in$
$ \textbf{Axioms:}$
$ \textbf{Order:} \ x < y < z \to x < z $
$ \textbf{...
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Natural functions outside $\sf PA$?
Can theories stronger than $\sf PA$ manage to define functions from the naturals to the naturals, that $\sf PA$ cannot? If so, what are examples of those functions?
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Can PA define functions related to higher theories?
Working in $\sf ZFC$ we can define a function $F$ from naturals to naturals such that $F(0) = \, ^\circ\ulcorner r({\sf Z}) \urcorner$, where $r({\sf Z})$ is the Rosser sentence of Zermelo set theory $...
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Heuristic interpretations of the PA-unprovability of Goodstein's Theorem
I've relatively recently learned about Goodstein's Theorem and its unprovability in Peano arithmetic (the Kirby-Paris Theorem). I do not have any real knowledge of formal logic; but I think I've seen ...
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Truth Values of Statements in non-standard models
Excuse me, if the question sounds too naive.
Non-standard models of PA will have statements of non-standard lengths, basically infinite. And it is also true that every statement of a theory will have ...
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Models of second-order arithmetic closed under relative constructibility
I know little to nothing about second-order arithmetic and its subsystems. However, I would like to understand when a model of (a subsystem of) second-order arithmetic ($\mathsf{Z}_2$) is downward ...
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Would this alteration safeguard the resulting theory from inconsistency?
If we replace "Emergence" axiom in the theory $T$ presented at posting "What is the set theory synonymous with this order-set theory?" with the following axiom, call the resulting ...
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Would this alteration of $T$ affect its synonymy with PA?
If we replace the single axiom "Emergence" in the axiomatic system $T$ presented at posting [What is the set theory synonymous with this order-set theory], by the following schema. Would the ...
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What is the set theory synonymous with this order-set theory?
Let $ T$ be a theory written in Mono-sorted first order logic with equality, with extralogical primitives: $<, \in$.
Define: $x \leq y \iff x < y \lor x=y$
Axioms:
$\textbf{Well ordering: }\\\...
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Is this theory synonymous with PA?
Language: Mono-sorted first order logic with equality.
Extralogical Primitives: $<, \in$
Define: $x \leq y \iff x < y \lor x=y$
$\textbf{Well ordering: }\\\textit{Transitive:} \ x < y \land ...
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In what sense does the sentence $\operatorname{con}(\mathsf{PA})$ "say" that $\mathsf{PA}$ is consistent?
It seems common amongst logicians to think of "truth" as being relative to a particular structure. Consider, for instance, the first-order theory of groups. The sentence $\forall x\forall y(...
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Can Set Theory be turned into Infinite Arithmetic?
The following system I'd label as "Infinite Arithmetic" is simply an endeavor to extend second order arithmetic to the infinite ordinal world, and extending with it the representation of ...
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Is diamond consistent with 2nd order PA?
If $T$ is a theorem of ZF which says something only about reals, then one may want to prove $T$ using a theory like 2nd order PA or related theories like ZFC$^-$ or GBC$^-$ (minus accounts for the ...
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Can we always know if an algebraic rule over the reals is preserved over the extended reals or not?
Recall a prior posting titled Is there an effective way to generalize this approach of affinely extending the number line?, and especially the accepted answer given to it. So we are working in $\sf ...
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Is there an effective way to generalize this approach of affinely extending the number line?
The general approach here is a follow up of the approach outlined in a prior posting on extending the projectively extended real line. In particular arithmetic operators break down to ternery ...
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Can this type theory interpret second order arithmetic?
Language: multi-sorted first order logic with equality and membership, where for each natural $t$ there is a set $x^t$ of sort $t$. Equality "$=$" only occurs between variables of the same ...
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Can we interpret arithmetic in set theory, with exactly PA as the ZFC provable consequences?
There are many interpretations of arithmetic in set theory. The
Zermelo interpretation, for example, begins with the empty set and applies the singleton operator as successor:
$$0=\{\ \}$$
$$1=\{0\}$$
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What is the strength of allowing multiple predecessor numbers?
If we have a theory of numbers, pairs of numbers, and sets of those, and axiomatize that the relation $<$ on numbers is both extensional and well founded, then this theory would prove all PA axioms ...
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Representation of the equality relation between hereditarily finite sets in weak set theories
Consider General Set Theory ($ \mathsf { GST } $) axiomatized by the following.
Axiom of Extensionality: The sets $ x $ and $ y $ are the same set if they have the same members:
$$ \forall x \forall ...
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$\Sigma_n$-complete sets in the Levy hierarchy
Recall that a set $A \subseteq \mathbb N$ is (many-one, Turing) $\Sigma_n$-complete if it's $\Sigma_n$ and any other $\Sigma_n$ set (many-one, Turing) reduces to it. This definition actually makes ...
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What is the Turing degree of the monadic theory of the real line?
The monadic theory of the real line is the set of all sentences in the monadic second-order language of order which are true in $\mathbb{R}$. In this 1982 paper, Gurevich and Shelah show that true ...
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How special is first-order $\mathsf{PA}$?
This is a modified version of a question which was asked and bountied at MSE without success.
Below, "$\mathsf{PA}$" refers to first-order Peano arithmetic.
There are various "...
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Set theories that are complete modulo finite-order arithmetic
In a previous question, I asked whether there can be effectively axiomatizable set theories (at least as strong as, say, ZF) that are complete modulo first-order arithmetic, to which the answer is no; ...
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Complete and consistent first-order theories that contain interesting phenomena
Gödel has shown that a consistent recursively axiomatizable first-order theory that can interpret Robinson arithmetic is incomplete.
I think there is some sentimental value in working with a theory ...
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Defining the standard model of PA so that a space alien could understand
First, some context. In one of the comments to an answer to the recent question Why not adopt the constructibility axiom V=L? I was directed to some papers of Nik Weaver at this link, on ...
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Looking for “Set theory for a small universe” by Ketonen
In the paper Partition theorems for systems of finite subsets of integers, Pudlák and Rödl show a Ramsey-type result. The main feature of this result is that the sizes of sets in such systems are not ...
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What non-standard model of arithmetic does Hofstadter reference in GEB?
Following some of the coolest bits of Hofstadter's Gödel, Escher, Bach, extensions of the standard model of arithmetic are described. A ways in, the paragraph "Supernatural Addition and Multiplication"...
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What is the consistency strength of this theory?
Language: first-order logic
Primitives: $=, S, \in $ (the first denotes identity, the second denotes “is a successor of”, and the third denotes membership relation).
Axioms: those of identity ...
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A conservativity result of intuitionistic set theory over arithmetic
In their 1985 paper "Arithmetic Transfinite Induction and Recursive Well-Orderings", Friedman and Ščedrov prove that the theory $\mathbf{ZFI}$ is conservative over $\mathbf{HA}^*$ (see here, Theorem ...
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What arithmetic is interpretable in Mayberry's Euclidean set theory?
John Mayberry published what he calls a Euclidean set theory in his book The Foundations of Mathematics in the Theory of Sets. It is ZF with the axiom of infinity replaced by an axiom saying "the ...
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Is ZFC+(negation of a large cardinal axiom) arithmetically sound?
My knowledge in set theory is very limited, so I apologize if this question is naive or trivial:
Let $A$ to be a large cardinal axiom. $T=ZFC+\neg A$ is a consistent theory. My question is:
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Can you remove all the extra arithmetic from ZFC (or other theories)?
Let $\mathbb{N}$ be the standard model of the natural numbers. For any statement in the language of arithmetic, we can translate into a statement in the language of set theory by asking if it is true ...
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Does $WKL_0$ plus CON(PA+X) give a binary tree model of PA+X?
In the context of reverse mathematics $WKL_0$ is considered equivalent to Gödel's completeness theorem over $RCA_0$. Does this mean that e.g. $WKL_0$ plus the consistency statement CON(PA+X) gives a ...
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How can two theories $T$ and $T+\phi$ be mutually interpretable?
Following Koellner in http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/independence-large-cardinals/, "a theory $T_1$ is interpretable in $T_2$ ($T_1 \leq T_2$) when, roughly speaking, there is a translation $\tau$ ...
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What's Reeb's take on naive integers?
Georges Reeb's "claim Q" is the statement that "naive integers don't fill up $\mathbb{N}$". To anyone familiar with model theory this could easily be interpreted as the existence of nonstandard models ...
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Do the analogies between metamathematics of set theory and arithmetic have some deeper meaning?
By "formal analogies" between the metamathematics of $\mathsf{ZFC}$/set theory and $\mathsf{PA}$(=Peano Arithmetic)/first order arithmetic, I mean facts such as the following:
We are considering a ...
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Boolean Valued Models of PA
O.K, a massively naive question. I've never really studied any non-standard models of PA before. I was just wondering if there's ever been any attempt to use the kind of Boolean valued model theory ...
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Forcing, cuts, and Dedekind-finite cardinalities
Tl;dr version: there are two natural classes of cuts in the nonstandard model of arithmetic consisting of the Dedekind-finite sets (if, in fact, they constitute such a model); both these classes are ...
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Neither Even Nor Odd Natural Numbers
Modular arithmetic (MA) has the same axioms as first order Peano arithmetic (PA) except $\forall x(Sx \neq 0)$ is replaced with $\exists x(Sx=0)$. In Even XOR Odd Infinities? I asked if this statement ...
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Are there non-commutative models of arithmetic which have a prime number structure?
Peano Arithmetic (PA) models have a prime number structure and commutativity of addition and multiplication. Presburger arithmetic (PrA) models of arithmetic have addition without multiplication and ...
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Axiom to exclude nonstandard natural numbers
In Peano Arithmetic, the induction axiom states that there is no proper subset of the natural numbers that contains 0 and is closed under the successor function. This is intended to rule out the ...
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What is the spectrum of possible cofinality types for cuts in an ordered field? Or in a model of the hyperreals? Or in a nonstandard model of arithmetic?
I am interested to know the full range of possibilities for the cofinality type of cuts in an ordered field and in other structures, such as nonstandard models of arithmetic.
Definitions. ...
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Set theory inside arithmetics via the Ackermann yoga
Among the basic results of logic which, simple as they are, never fail to intrigue me, is Ackermann's interpretation of ZF-Infinity in PA (see for refs this MO question and here for an excellent ...
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Alternative Arithmetics
Although, beyond any doubts, $ZFC$ is by and large the predominantly accepted theory of sets, there have been a few attempt to establish some serious competitors in town.
I just quote two of them (...
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Is Robinson Arithmetic biinterpretable with some theory in LST?
Let ZFC$^{\text{fin}}$ be ZFC minus the axiom of infinity plus the negation of the axiom of infinity. It is well-known that ZFC$^{\text{fin}}$ is biinterpretable with Peano Arithmetic. In this sense ...
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How would one even begin to try to prove that a simple number-theoretic statement is undecidable?
This question is closely related to this one: Knuth's intuition that Goldbach might be unprovable. It stems from my ignorance about non-standard models of arithmetic. In a comment on the other ...
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Incompleteness and nonstandard models of arithmetic
The following are a collection of doubts, some of which shall have concrete answers while others may have not. Any kind of help will be welcome.
Reading Peter Smith's "Gödel Without (Too Many) Tears",...
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What is induction up to $\varepsilon_0$?
This is a question asked out of curiosity, and because I can't understand the Wikipedia page.
I have often been told that PA cannot prove the validity of induction up to $\varepsilon_0$, which has ...
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