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The study of canonical inner models for large cardinal hypotheses, with particular attention to their fine structure theory, and iterability issues.

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The reals in $L$

Assume "$0^\#$ exists". We know that $0^\#$ is a $\Pi^1_2$-singleton. That means, there is a Shoenfield tree $S$ on $\omega \times (\omega \times \omega_1)$ so that $$x = 0^\# \leftrightarrow S_x \...
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Topological tameness beyond the Gandy-Harrington topology

The Gandy-Harrington topology on $\omega^\omega$ is the topology generated by all lightface $\Sigma^1_1$ sets; that is, all sets which are continuous-in-the-usual-sense images of $\omega^\omega$. ...
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The core model and elementary embeddings

Let $K$ be the core model (below a Woodin cardinal). Let $j \colon K \to M$ be an elementary embedding, where $M$ is well founded. Under which conditions can we conclude that $j$ is an iterated ...
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What happens with large singular cardinals on the far side of the HOD dichotomy?

Woodin's HOD Dichotomy Theorem says that if an extendible cardinal exists, then either $V$ and $HOD$ are rather close or rather far apart. My question is whether the "far" case can be strengthened in ...
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Does $\mathit{Aut}(\mathbb{R};+)$ have a copy in $L(\mathbb{R})$ granting large cardinals?

Throughout, work in $\mathsf{ZFC}$ + large cardinals (let's say a proper class of Woodin limits of Woodins but I'm happy to go higher if that would help). Let $\mathcal{R}=(\mathbb{R};+)$ be the ...
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Core model with $\omega$ Woodin cardinals

In [KwoM] it is proved that the the core model K exists under the assumption that there is no inner model having a Woodin cardinal and satisfying ZFC. Furthermore, they also mention that the result is ...
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Characterizing L(R) Cardinals in HOD

We're working in L(R) under AD. We know that $\omega_1$ is the least measurable in HOD, $\Theta$ is the least woodin, $\delta^2_1$ is the least strong to the woodin, etc. My question is about ...
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$\lt_{ip}$ is a well-defined well-ordering of iterable set premice

I am cross-posting this question from MSE, where I asked it about $3$ months ago and I decided to ask it here as well. This question of mine arises from Kanamori's the higher infinite, where he tries ...
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Is there a "nice" inner model for $\mathsf{ZF}$ + a Dedekind-finite infinite set of reals?

Below, given a formula $\varphi$ which $\mathsf{ZF}$ proves defines a set of reals and an inner model $W$, I'll write "$\varphi^W$" and "$L(\varphi^W)$" for "$\{x:W\models\...
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Literature on the reals or their gaps in $L[0^\sharp]$?

I'm doing my Bachelor's Thesis on the continuum in $L$ and $L[0^\sharp]$. In $L$ I study the gaps without new reals (sets of natural numbers) in the hierarchy, as presented in Gaps in the ...
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Core model for supercompact cardinals and iteration trees

I have a few somehow related questions: Question 1. What do we expect for an inner model $\mathcal{K}$ to be a core model for a supercompact cardinal? What properties should it have, and what ...
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Is $V=\textsf{HOD}\not\Rightarrow\textsf{GCH}$ consistent?

Whenever $M$ is some fine-structural $L$-like model we can prove the implication $V=M\Rightarrow\textsf{GCH}$. For $L$ this is due to Gödel, and for the modern extender models it follows simply by ...
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Ordinal-definable witnesses to the perfect set property?

This possibly a very basic descriptive set-theory question; if it is too basic for MO, feel free to migrate. Throughout we work in ZF+AD. My question is: If $A$ is an uncountable OD set of reals, ...
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Absoluteness for the Chang model

Often, large cardinals imply that many definable inner models and transitive sets have theories which are absolute under forcing. For example, assuming a proper class of Woodin cardinals, the theory ...
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How much real determinacy can live in $L(\mathbb{R})$?

It's well-known that AD$_\mathbb{R}$ fails in $L(\mathbb{R})$, provably in ZFC. This is because: AD$^{L(\mathbb{R})}$ implies DC$^{L(\mathbb{R})}$. Over ZF+DC, AD + "Every set of reals has a scale" ...
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Elementary chains in forcing extensions of $M_1$

Let $M_1$ be the canonical inner model with one Woodin cardinal $\delta$. Now suppose that $\mathbb{P}$ is a forcing notion of size $< \delta$, which preserves $\omega_1$ and that $G$ is a generic ...
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$Δ^1_3$ reals in transitive models

Every real number is $Δ^1_2$ in some $ω$-model of ZFC\P. I am looking for analogous statements for $Δ^1_3$ definability and transitive models, where the situation is more subtle. What is the ...
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Recent literature on the gaps of reals on $L$ or other inner models?

I'm doing my Bachelor's Thesis on Gödel's constructible universe $L$. I'm interested in the gaps without new reals (sets of natural numbers) in the hierarchy, as presented in Gaps in the constructible ...
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Are initial segments of coherent measure sequences coherent?

This question is about the "old-fashioned" coherent sequences, in the style of Mitchell Mitchell, W. (1974). Sets constructible from sequences of ultrafilters. Journal of Symbolic Logic, 39(...
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Inner models with all sets generic

Question: Under large cardinal axioms, what is the intersection of all inner models $M$ of ZFC such that every set in $V$ is set-generic over $M$? Every set belongs to a generic extension of HOD, and ...
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Does $0^{\#}$ imply that $L$'s set generic multiverse has irreconcilable theories?

Suppose $0^{\#}$ exists. Let $M(L)$ be the generic multiverse over $L$ as viewed in $V$, i.e. $M(L)$ consists of all $L[g]$ where $g \in V$ is $\mathbb{P}$-generic over $L$ for some forcing $\mathbb{P}...
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Breaking determinacy with forcing, and then fixing it

While forcing is usually presented over models of ZFC, it works equally well over models of ZF (or even less). However, the general theory of forcing becomes much stranger (much like the general ...
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Characterizing elementary embeddings of $L$ and $L_\alpha$ under 0#

Suppose 0# exists. It is clear that every order preserving map from the indiscernibles to the indiscernibles gives an elementary embedding from $L$ to $L$. Furthermore, following lemmas 18.7 and 18.8 ...
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Uniqueness of countable version of $L[U]$?

Suppose $\alpha$ is a countable ordinal and $U_0,U_1,\kappa$ are such that $L_\alpha[U_i] \models \mathrm{ZFC} + U_i$ is a normal ultrafilter on $\kappa$. Does $U_0 = U_1$? The argument for ...
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Inner model with a $\mathit{\Delta}^1_3$-good well-ordering of the reals

The constructible universe $L$ has some nice properties: $L$ has a $\mathit{\Delta}^1_2$-good well-ordering of $\mathbb{R}$. (Gödel, Addison) For any $\mathit{\Sigma}^1_2$ formula $\varphi(x)$ and a ...
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Are there premice that are $\omega_1$-iterable but not $(\omega_1+1)$-iterable?

For (hopefully) simplicity, let a premouse be defined coarsely as in Martin and Steel's 1994 paper, Iteration Trees. Is (or is it consistent that) there is a premouse that is $\omega_1$-iterable but ...
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Proper class of Woodins and $\textsf{AD}_{\mathbb R}$-hypothesis

The $\textsf{AD}_{\mathbb R}$-hypothesis is the statement that there is a $\lambda$ which is both a limit of Woodins and a limit of ${<}\lambda$-strongs. Are there any results relating the ...
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A Hot Betting On HOD

Remark: This question is based on an open question at the end of a paper by Hamkins, Kirmayer, and Perlmutter: "Generalizations of the Kunen Inconistency". $HOD$ as an inner model of $ZFC$ lies ...
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Models of Determinacy

Today we have that $L(\mathbb{R}) \models AD$ (assuming there are $\omega$ many Woodin cardinals and a measurable above them all). I was wondering what other models of $AD$ might look like and if it ...
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Consistency strength of lifting through a lot of collapsing

What is the consistency strength of the following situation? $j : V \to M$ is an elementary embedding definable from parameters in $V$, with critical point $\kappa$. $\mathbb P$ is a forcing that ...
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What is a 'power admissible model'?

Q: What exactly is a power admissible model? Background: Admissible models, introduced by Jon Barwise, form the building blocks of inner model theory. They are transitive models $\mathcal M = (M; \in)...
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GCH implies acceptability

I have been studying the concept of acceptability, particularly in its relation to GCH. There are many versions of it in the sources I have found, with some slight variations, and some of them are ...
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A question about Mitchell/Steel Fine Structure and Iteration Trees

In chapter 8 of Mitchell's and Steel's FSIT, they prove a central fine structural result, which basically states that if $\mathcal{M}$ is 1-small, $k$-sound, $k$-iterable premouse then the $k+1$-...
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Friedman's proof of covering lemma for $L$

There is a two-page proof of the covering lemma for $L$ using $\Sigma_n$ substructures (Theorem 3.10) in Sy Friedman's Fine Structure and Class Forcing, compared to the proof that spans about twenty ...
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"Very $L$-like" models, part 1: large cardinals

(The original version of this question was much narrower and less natural; but see the edit history if interested.) Say that a good logic is a regular logic $\mathcal{L}$ containing $\mathsf{FOL}$ ...
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Absoluteness and the scale property for $Π^2_2$ or $Σ^2_2$

Under the diamond principle $◊$ and large cardinal axioms, which of the two pointclasses $Π^2_2$ or $Σ^2_2$ is expected to have the scale property? Because conditional $Σ^2_2$ absoluteness under $◊$ ...
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Symmetry between V and HOD

Is it consistent that the set of ordinal definable real numbers is countable, but for every $y∈\mathrm{OD}∩ℝ$, every true $Σ_2^{V,y}$ statement holds in $\mathrm{HOD}$? Note that $Σ_2^V$ is the best ...
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Are generators of extenders cardinals?

Say $E$ is a $(\kappa,\lambda)$-extender on some model $\mathcal M$ of set theory, and consider the ultrapower embedding $i:\mathcal M\to\text{Ult}(\mathcal M,E)$. Now recall that a generator of $E$ ...
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$\omega$-small and properly small premice.

Let $\mathcal M$ be a premouse. $\mathcal M$ is said to be $\omega$-small if and only if whenever we have that $\kappa=crit(E)$ for some extender $E$ on the sequence of $\mathcal M$, then $\mathcal J^{...
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The Covering Lemma for L[U]

Hi, The covering lemma for L[U] (minimal k-model) is stated in Mitchel's handbook chapter: "Assuming zero-dagger does not exist then covering holds for L[U] or there is a sequence C ⊆ κ, which is ...
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Preservation of Woodinness when it overlaps the active extender

I'm trying to show that if a premouse $\mathcal M$ is 1-small then it's also tame. Definition. $\mathcal M$ is 1-small if for every extender $E$ on the $\mathcal M$-sequence, $\mathcal J^{\mathcal M}...
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Mitchell, Steel. FSIT. Lemma 2.8: Is $k$-solidity actually needed?

Consider the following result (which is Lemma 2.8 in Mitchell and Steel's paper on Fine Structure and Iteration Trees): Lemma 2.8 Let $\pi \colon \mathcal{H} \to \mathcal{M}$ be generalized $r \...
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Fine structure without choice

In set theory, are there approaches to fine structure that give fine-structural models that do not satisfy the axiom of choice? We can build fine-structural models above a given set (such as $\mathbb ...
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Universe V = Ultimate L inside set theoretic multiverse

Good day to you all, I would like to ask a question about relation between Prof. H. Woodin V = Ultimate L and a concept of set theoretical multiverse as proposed by Prof. Hamkins. If V = Ultimate L ...
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Inner model theory using indiscernibles

Has an inner model theory been developed on the basis of indiscernibles rather than measures? Is there a reasonable formalization at the level of overlapping extenders? Fine-structural models beyond $...
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What does $L(A,\mathbb{R})$ mean?

I many papers by Woodin, and on some answers here on MathOverflow (like the first answer of this question), I see the expression "$L(A,\mathbb{R})$" being used, but I have never seen it defined. I ...
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Does absoluteness imply a club dichotomy?

My question is about two types of consequence of large cardinals, considered over ZFC on their own. First, we have statements of the form, "The club filter on $\omega_1$ is an ultrafilter when ...
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Characterization of $L[T_{2n+1}]$ as a direct limit of mice

I am asking for a reference request/proof sketch for the result of Steel that characterizes $L[T_{2n+1}]$ as a direct limit of mice. Given that both $L[T_{2n+1}]$ and $M_{2n}$ have a $\Sigma_{2n+2}$ ...
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Existence of inner models of $\mathrm{ZFC} \ +$ forcing axioms, under incompatible assumptions

I am curious about the existence of inner models of $\mathrm{ZFC}$ in conjunction with forcing axioms, under assumptions inconsistent with such theories. For example: can we prove under any extension ...
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What is the role of absoluteness in existence of a non-trivial self elementary embedding on an inner model?

ِDefinition (1): Call an inner model M "rigid" if there are no non-trivial elementary embeddings $j: M\longrightarrow M$. It is possible that $L$ is not rigid, while the problem is open for $HOD$. ...
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