Let $M$ be a $\mathrm{II}_1$ factor, fix a ultrafilter $\omega$, we know the ultrapower $M^{\omega}$, is again $\mathrm{II}_1$ factor. The question is that what is the ultrapower of $M^{\omega}$, i.e., $(M^{\omega})^{\omega}$? Is it again isomorphic to $M^{\omega}$?
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$\begingroup$ You seem to write "ultrafilter" (once in title and once in question) in lieu of "ultrapower". In view of an erased discussion, you might specify what you mean by ultrapower. $\endgroup$– YCorCommented Nov 27, 2019 at 8:19
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1$\begingroup$ I mentioned 2 occurrences of the typo including one in the title. Also in a comment to an erased answer, Nik Weaver wrote "There are actually several notions of "ultraproduct of von Neumann algebras", but since š¯‘€ is a $\mathrm{II}_1$ factor in this case, most likely the tracial ultrapower is meant. That is, one discards all elements of infinite norm and factors out the ideal of all sequence $(x_n)$ for which \tau(x_n^*x_n)\to 0$". Could you confirm this is the definition you have in mind? $\endgroup$– YCorCommented Nov 27, 2019 at 9:06
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$\begingroup$ In an erased answer it was mentioned that the ultrapower is a saturated model. Nevertheless, the decreasing intersection of nonempty definable subsets $\{x:\tau(x)>n\}$ is empty, so I'm skeptical about this assertion (here or also in metric ultraproduct such as asymptotic cones). $\endgroup$– YCorCommented Nov 27, 2019 at 9:16
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3$\begingroup$ @Desperatemathematician I think what user YCor had in mind is that you might edit your question to include a careful definition (and perhaps a reference to a good source for where this construction is considered: e.g. a textbook, online lecture notes, or similar). That would, in my opinion, substantially improve the question. $\endgroup$– Matthew DawsCommented Nov 27, 2019 at 11:41
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1$\begingroup$ @Desperatemathematician What Matt is trying to say, I think, is that if you write out the definition then (a) you may increase your own understanding, rather than just juggling abstract terminology (b) you make it easier for mathematicians who may not be specialists on vN algebras to make useful contributions $\endgroup$– Yemon ChoiCommented Nov 28, 2019 at 15:10
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This is an expanded version of my deleted answer and comment. Since the question does not include the definition of ultrapower and since it is not standard, I am using the definition from Ando and Haagerup, https://arxiv.org/abs/1212.5457 . That is if $M$ is a vN $II_1$ factor, and $\omega$ is an non-principal ultrafilter over natural numbers, then $M^\omega$ is obtained as follows. First take the standard ultrapower $\Pi M/\omega$. Then take the subalgebra $A$ from that algebra consisting of sequences $(x_i)$ with $tr(x_ix_i^*)$ bounded. $A$ contains the ideal $I$ consisting of all sequences $x_i$ with $\lim tr(x_ix_i^*)=0$ (all limits are $\omega$-limits). Then $M^\omega=A/I$. With that definition $M^\omega$ is the vN analog of ultralimits (NOT ultrapowers) of metric spaces. This weird definition of "ultrapower" is consistent with the definition of ulttraproducts of Banach algebras. Probably goes back to Banach. So perhaps it is not so weird after all.
As in the paper by Kramer, Shelah, Tent, Thomas [KSTT] (there is only one paper by these 4 authors, easily found in the arXiv) one can turn every vN $II_1$ factor into an algebraic structure with countable signature ("countable" is important) trearing trace as they treat the distance function. Then $M^\omega$ is elementarily definable in $\Pi M/\omega$. Furthermore, assuming the Continuum Hypothesis $\Pi(\Pi M/\omega)/\omega$ is isomorphic to $\Pi M/\omega$ (the proof is exactly the same as in [KSTT] using the fact that an ultraproduct is always a saturated structure). Since $M^\omega$ is elementarily definable in $\Pi M/\omega$ and $(M^\omega)^\omega$ is definable by the same first order formulas in $\Pi(\Pi M/\omega)/\omega$, we get the result. If we do not assume CH, I do not know the answer. But I refer to [KSTT] again, it may be that the answer is "no" or even "totally no" (meaning that the isomorphism almost never occurs).
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1$\begingroup$ I guess you might need to encode the structure (von Neumann algebra, trace) rather than just von Neumann, i.e., include the trace in the signature? $\endgroup$– YCorCommented Nov 28, 2019 at 10:25
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$\begingroup$ @YCor this might not be needed, because the trace on a $II_1$ factor is unique. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 28, 2019 at 15:16
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$\begingroup$ @NikWeaver, it is needed because it is unclear otherwise whether the ultralimit of $II_1$ factors is a $II_1$-factor. See my answer above. $\endgroup$– user6976Commented Nov 28, 2019 at 15:36
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$\begingroup$ @MarkSapir I think it is standard that any ultrapower of a $II_1$ factor is a $II_1$ factor. Where exactly am I supposed to be looking in your answer? $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 28, 2019 at 16:20
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1$\begingroup$ @NikWeaver including $\tau$ in the signature affect (a priori) the notion of "elementary definable". $\endgroup$– YCorCommented Nov 28, 2019 at 17:27