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Suppose that $E/\mathbf{Q}$ is an elliptic curve and $K$ is an imaginary quadratic field. Let $\mathbf{Q}_{\infty}$ denote the cyclotomic $\mathbf{Z}_p$ extension of $\mathbf{Q}$, and let $K_{\infty}$ denote the cyclotomic $\mathbf{Z}_p$ extension of $K$,

If we know that the $\mu$-invariant for the Selmer over $K_{\infty}$ vanishes, does it follow that the $\mu$-invariant for the Selmer over $\mathbf{Q}_{\infty}$ vanishes? That is, if we know $\mu=0$ for the bigger field $K_{\infty}$, can we "propogate it down" to show that $\mu=0$ for the field $\mathbf{Q}_{\infty}$?

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Under your setting \begin{equation} \operatorname{Sel}(E/K_{\infty})\simeq\operatorname{Sel}(E/\mathbb Q_{\infty})\oplus\operatorname{Sel}(E\otimes\chi/\mathbb Q_{\infty}) \end{equation} where $\chi$ is the quadratic character attached to $K/\mathbb Q$ and all these $\mathbb Z_{p}[[X]]$-modules are torsion. Hence \begin{equation} \mu(\operatorname{Sel}(E/K_{\infty}))=\mu(\operatorname{Sel}(E/\mathbb Q_{\infty}))+\mu(\operatorname{Sel}(E\otimes\chi/\mathbb Q_{\infty})). \end{equation} Indeed, if $\mu(\operatorname{Sel}(E/K_{\infty}))=0$ then $\mu(\operatorname{Sel}(E/\mathbb Q_{\infty}))=0$.

However, the very same argument suggests that it is probably very hard to show that $\mu(\operatorname{Sel}(E/K_{\infty}))=0$ without showing that $\mu(\operatorname{Sel}(E/\mathbb Q_{\infty}))=0$.

What has been known since the works Gillard, Schneps, Hida, Hsieh... is that it is sometimes possible to prove that $\mu$-invariant vanishes over the $\mathbb Z_p^2$-extension $L_\infty/K$ (the composite of the cyclotomic and anticyclotomic extension of $K$). Unfortunately, in that case, there is no obvious way (and indeed, at present no known way) to deduce from those results the vanishing of the $\mu$-invariant over $\mathbb Q_\infty$, as the specialization of a power-series in $\mathbb Z_p[[X,Y]]$ with vanishing $\mu$-invariant at $Y=0$ can very well have non-vanishing $\mu$-invariant.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thanks. Clarification: by the Selmer group of $E \otimes \chi$, do you mean the Selmer group of the quadratic twist of $E$ by $\chi$? $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 25, 2022 at 13:06
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    $\begingroup$ Yes, that's right. $\endgroup$
    – Olivier
    Commented Jan 27, 2022 at 12:56

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