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There are certain generalizations of the notion of a proper forcing to uncountable cardinals in the context of forcing iterations. For example, the ones introduced by Eisworth, and by Roslanowski and Shelah. They usually considered such a notion under some cardinal arithmetic assumptions and in the context of iterated forcings.

I am simply looking for a reference for the following definition:

  • Definition: Suppose $\mathcal S$ is a set of uncountable elementary submodels in some large $H_\theta$, and $\mathbb P$ is a forcing notion belonging to every model in $\mathcal S$. As in the definition of a proper forcing, let us say that $\mathbb P$ is $\mathcal S$-proper if, for every $M\in\mathcal S$ and every $p\in\mathbb P\cap M$, there is an $(M,\mathbb P)$-generic condition $q\leq p$.

I considered the above definition and the following theorem as folklore, but I was asked by a referee to provide a reference for them.

  • Theorem: Suppose $\kappa$ is a regular cardinal, and $\mathcal S\subseteq\mathcal P_\kappa(H_\theta)$ is stationary. If $\mathbb P$ is $\mathcal S$-proper, then $\mathbb P$ preserves $\kappa$.

I think calling it $\kappa$-properness can be confusing for several reasons, including the fact that the set $\mathcal S$ is just stationary.

Question 1: Does the above notion have a name in the literature? If not, is my terminology convenient? What about "$\mathbb P$ is proper for $\mathcal S$"?

Question 2: What is the most appropriate work to cite for the above theorem?

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  • $\begingroup$ You have to assume $M \cap \kappa \in \kappa$ for every $M\in\mathcal S$, right? $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 2, 2021 at 21:34

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The concept first appeared in Shelah's paper Independence results

The theorem you have stated should be folklore, but you may see Tapani Hyttinen and Mika Rautila, The canary tree revisited for a proof.

Of course in the above cited papers, the definitions are not given for some stationary set, but that is clear how to modify them for this case.

Finally, a very good reference to look at is the following paper by Roslanowski: Shelah's search for properness for iterations with uncountable supports

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    $\begingroup$ I know how to prove the theorem. Probably I have to state it as folklore and provide a proof. $\endgroup$
    – Rahman. M
    Commented Nov 27, 2021 at 14:18

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