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I am currently looking for a reference to a proof (or counterexample) to the following statement:

Statement: Assume $G$ is a finitely generated solvable group of exponential growth, then there is a finitely generated subgroup $H$ of exponential growth which is either polycyclic or (virtually-)abelian-by-cyclic (i.e. it admits a short exact sequence $1 \to V \to H \to \mathbb{Z} \to 1$ where $V$ is virtually abelian).

It seems this result should be known (or known to false, or known to be open), since I could already sketch a strategy to produce the subgroup. Please understand that I'm interested in a reference (and I'm not asking anyone to check if the following strategy is sound). I wrote the strategy below just in case it helps ring a bell.

Strategy: First look at the largest integer $k$ so that $G^{(k)}$ (the $k^\text{th}$ derived group) contains a finitely generated subgroup which has exponential growth. Let $K$ be such a subgroup, then $[K,K]$ is locally virtually nilpotent. Case 1: if Si $[K,K]$ is finitely generated, then this is a polycyclic group. Case 2: Else, $Q = K/[K,K]$ is finitely generated abelian. Let $F_n$ be an increasing sequence of subgroups of $[K,K]$ such that $\cup F_n = [K,K]$. The elements $z \in K$ have an action on $[K,K]$ by conjugation. Look at the orbits of elements of $[K,K]$ under this action. Since $K$ is finitely generated and by the maximality of $k$, there is an element of $z \in K$ so that this action must have an unbounded orbit (not contained in some $F_n$) and it's quotient in $Q$ is non-trivial. Since the FC-centre of $[K,K]$ is a caracteristic subgroup and is not contained in some $F_n$, there is even an orbit $\mathcal{O}$ (of the conjugation action of $z$) which is unbounded in $F_C([K,K])$.

The desired subgroup $H$ is given by $1 \to U \to H \to Z \to 1$ where $Z$ is the subgroup generated by $z$ and $U$ is the subgroup generated by the orbit $\mathcal{O}$.

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    $\begingroup$ By a 1984 result of Kropholler, every f.g. solvable group either has a lamplighter $C_p\wr\mathbf{Z}$ subquotient for some prime $p$, or is minimax. Hence, this reduces to proving the result assuming either $G$ minimax (which is quite close to polycyclic in spirit) or $G$ has a such a lamplighter as quotient (or if there is a counterexample, it could be found with either of these properties). $\endgroup$
    – YCor
    Commented Dec 3, 2019 at 16:56
  • $\begingroup$ how interesting! is there a relatively recent book on the theory of (infinite) soluble groups? the most recent I could put my hands on was Robinson's "Finiteness Conditions and Generalized Soluble Groups". $\endgroup$
    – ARG
    Commented Dec 3, 2019 at 18:42
  • $\begingroup$ apologies for this [well-known] question: what's an easy example of a solvable minimax groups which is not polycyclic? $\endgroup$
    – ARG
    Commented Dec 3, 2019 at 19:02
  • $\begingroup$ An example is the Baumslag-Solitar group $BS(1,k)$ for $k\ge 2$. $\endgroup$
    – YCor
    Commented Dec 3, 2019 at 22:12
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    $\begingroup$ Yes sure the minimax (fg solvable) group are much easier to understand than general f.g. solvable ones; in particular they're virtually nilpotent-by-abelian. $\endgroup$
    – YCor
    Commented Dec 4, 2019 at 17:43

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