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In my recent paper with Makoto Kikuchi,

we proved the following theorem.

Theorem. All countable models $\langle M,\in^M\rangle\models\text{ZFC}$, whether well-founded or not, have the same inclusion relation $\langle M,\subseteq^M\rangle$, up to isomorphism.

And the same is true for much weaker theories, such as KP and even finite set theory, provided that one excludes the $\omega$-standard models without any infinite sets and also the $\omega$-standard models with amorphous sets.

The proof proceeds by proving that for most of the models of set theory $\langle M,\in^M\rangle$, the corresponding inclusion relation $\langle M,\subseteq\rangle$ is an $\omega$-saturated model of what we have called set-theoretic mereology, which is the theory of an unbounded atomic relatively complemented distributed lattice. Those are the basic facts of $\subseteq$ in set theory and that is a complete, finitely axiomatizable, decidable theory. Since the theory is complete, and the resulting models are $\omega$-saturated, it follows by the back-and-forth method that all countable saturated models are isomorphic.

But the possibility of amorphous sets throws a wrench in the works. For most models of set theory, we prove that the inclusion relation is $\omega$-saturated; but when the model is $\omega$-standard and has an amorphous set, then it is not $\omega$-saturated, and so this is an irrirating obstacle to the general phenomenon. What we want to know is whether the ZF models provide just one or many different isomorphism types for the inclusion relation.

Question. Do all countable $\omega$-standard models of ZF with an amorphous set have isomorphic inclusion relations?

Kikuchi and I state in the paper that we believe that the answer to this question will come from an understanding of the Tarski/Ersov invariants combined with a knowledge of the models of ZF with amorphous sets.

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  • $\begingroup$ Joel, what happens when you add a proper class of "pairwise-generic" amorphous sets compared to adding just a single one? $\endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 10:52
  • $\begingroup$ That is a good idea, and I don't know what happens to the subset relation when you do this. It is a good candidate model for another isomorphism type. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 12:13
  • $\begingroup$ Well, what happens when you have the one amorphous set? $\endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 9:40
  • $\begingroup$ If you add an amorphous set to an $\omega$-standard model of ZFC, then the subset relation is definitely not isomorphic to the original model, since the property that all subsets are either finite or co-finite is revealed by the subset relation. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 11:12
  • $\begingroup$ Right, right. But start with a standard model (just to omit this $\omega$ from the notation everywhere). And add a single amorphous set to it. That gives you an "almost minimal" infinite cardinal, which I suspect is what you mean by this fact. That you get an $(\omega,\omega)$-gap in the cardinals with the lower chain being $\omega$ itself. But, I mean, what else do you get there which "bothers" the containment structure? $\endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 11:20

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No, except in trivial cases.$\newcommand{\ck}{\omega_1^{\mathrm{ck}}} \newcommand{\nmereo}{n_{\mathrm{mereo}}} \DeclareMathOperator{MT}{MT} \DeclareMathOperator{rk}{rk} \DeclareMathOperator{rks}{rks}$ If $\nmereo$ is the cardinality of the set of isomorphism classes of reducts of countable models of ZF to their inclusion relation, then $\nmereo\neq 2.$

A suitable notion of rank is studied by Mendick and Truss [1]. A simpler permutation model and further connections are discussed in Truss [2, Section 4], which cites [3] for this algebraic definition. For each Boolean algebra $B$ define the following transfinite sequence of ideals.

  • $I_0(B)$ is $\{0\}$
  • $I_{\alpha+1}(B)$ is the ideal of elements $x\in B$ such that the equivalence class $x+I_\alpha(B)$ is a finite sum of atoms in $B/I_\alpha(B)$
  • $I_\beta(B)=\bigcup_{\alpha<\beta}I_\alpha(B)$ at limit ordinals $\beta>0$

The rank $\rk(B)$ is $-1$ if $B$ is the zero ring, or else the least ordinal $\alpha$ such that $I_{\alpha+1}(B)=B,$ if it exists, and otherwise $\infty.$ The Mendick-Truss rank $MT(x)$ of a set $x$ is the rank of the powerset $\mathcal P(x)$ with its usual Boolean algebra structure.

(Beware that [3] uses the similar but different quantity $\delta(B)=\rk(B)+1,$ i.e. the Cantor-Bendixson rank of the Stone space. “Rank” is an overloaded term, but this use for Boolean algebras appears in at least one paper [4]. These ideals are what you get by applying Stone duality to Cantor-Bendixson derivatives. They're more appropriate for studying powersets than the Tarski-Ershov ideal of sums of atomic and atomless elements: every element of a powerset is atomic.)

We can look at the rank of powersets within a model or externally, and it is useful if the two notions agree. Let $|p|$ denote the order type of a code $p$ in Kleene’s $\mathcal O,$ to be concrete. Then for any $\omega$-standard model $M$ of ZFC, $|p|^M$ is isomorphic to $|p|.$ So statements about ranks below $\ck$ will be computed correctly: $M\Vdash \rk(B)=|p|$ if and only if $\rk(B)=|p|.$ The following argument only needs to compare ranks of at most $\omega.$

For a model $M$ of ZFA, define $\rks(M)$ to be the least ordinal $\alpha$ such that the rank of $(\mathcal P(x)^M,\subseteq^M)$ is less than $\alpha$ for all $x\in M.$ So at least for models of ZF, $\rks(M)$ is an invariant of the inclusion reduct. We can do a similar computation for class models $M$ adequate for the Boolean algebra structure on powersets, though we might get $\infty$ if there is no such ordinal. This justifies the convenient approach of working within a model, instead of reasoning externally to a model.

Assuming that there is an $\omega$-standard countable model of ZFC, the two different inclusion reducts will come from:

  1. An $\omega$-standard countable model of ZF with $\rks(M)>\omega$
  2. An $\omega$-standard countable model of ZF with $\rks(M)=\omega$

We’ll make use of permutation models. So I should explain how to get a model of pure set theory instead of just ZFA. I think the best approach is to appeal to embedding theorems. See Note 103 in “Consequences of the Axiom of Choice” for the statements; the proofs only use the usual techniques of forcing and inner models, so they should work in the setting of countable $\omega$-standard models. For (1) it’s easy because we just need a property to hold of one powerset algebra, which is exactly the kind of thing the Jech-Sochor embedding theorem allows. For (2) we can use the fact that if a set $x$ admits a surjection to $\omega$ then its MT rank is $\infty$ [1, Lemma 1.3]. A statement about powersets of sets that do not admit a surjection to $\omega$ is “surjectively boundable” so Pincus’s embedding theorem applies.

For (1), apply Jech-Sochor with a permutation model containing a set of MT rank $>\omega.$ [1, Theorem 3.1] [2, Section 4].

For (2), apply Pincus’s embedding theorem with the first Fraenkel model $\mathcal N1.$ This has a set of urelements $A,$ with full permutation group $G.$ The action of $G$ extends by abuse of notation to the whole of $\mathcal N1.$

Any $x$ breaks up as a disjoint union of non-empty sets $$x\cong \bigcup_{i\in\alpha} x_i$$ with a family of functions $f_i$ with $\operatorname{dom}(f_i)\subseteq A^{k_i}$ for some $k_i\in\omega$ and $\operatorname{rng}(f_i)=x_i.$ I don’t need any stronger properties of this model.

This decomposition is standard, but I don’t know of a suitable reference for this particular case. We can work in the full universe $V(A)$ where choice holds. Each set $x\in\mathcal N1$ is supported by a finite sequence $\xi\in A^{<\omega},$ meaning that $x$ is fixed by the stabilizer group $G_\xi\subset G$ of automorphisms that fix $\xi.$ Enumerate the $G_\xi$-orbits of $x$ by $x_i,$ $i<\alpha.$ Pick $y_i\in x_i$ for each $i<\alpha.$ Pick $\eta_i\in A^{<\omega}$ such that $y_i$ is supported by $\eta_i.$ Define $f_i=\{(\pi \eta_i,\pi y_i) : \pi\in G_\xi\}.$ Then the family $(f_i)_{i<\alpha}$ is fixed by $G_\xi$ and each $f_i$ is a surjection to $x_i.$

If $\alpha$ is infinite then there is easily seen to be a surjection $x\to\omega.$ In this case $\rk(x)=\infty$ [1, Lemma 1.3]. If $\alpha$ is finite then $\MT(x)$ is finite because $\MT(A)=1$ and the class of sets of finite MT rank is closed under finite unions, products, subsets, and quotients: the first two operations are covered by [1, Corollary 1.5] and [1, Theorem 1.9], and as [1, page 2] says "[...] It is also easy to see by transfinite induction that the image of any [MT] rank $\alpha$ set under a function has rank $\leq \alpha,$ and hence that a subset of a rank $\alpha$ set has rank $\leq \alpha$."

This shows $\rks(\mathcal N1)\leq \omega.$ And $\MT(A^k)=k$ by [1, Theorem 1.9], so $\rks(\mathcal N1)$ is exactly $\omega.$


I've written up some thoughts on trying to show $\nmereo\geq\aleph_0$ (assuming $\nmereo>1$), but didn't prove anything. You might want to try asking Mendick and Truss for their advice.


[1] Mendick, G. S.; Truss, J. K., A notion of rank in set theory without choice, Arch. Math. Logic 42, No. 2, 165-178 (2003). ZBL1025.03047.

[2] J. K. Truss, The axiom of choice and model-theoretic structures, submitted. http://www1.maths.leeds.ac.uk/~pmtjkt/preprints.html

[3] Day, G. W., Superatomic Boolean algebras, Pac. J. Math. 23, 479-489 (1967). ZBL0161.01402.

[4] Bonnet, Robert; Rubin, Matatyahu, A thin-tall Boolean algebra which is isomorphic to each of its uncountable subalgebras, Topology Appl. 158, No. 13, 1503-1525 (2011). ZBL1229.54045.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thank you for your answer, which I must still digest. But I am confused by your first paragraph, where you refer to ZFC, but I think you mean ZF? And you should refer to countable models. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 16, 2021 at 10:03
  • $\begingroup$ @JoelDavidHamkins: yes, whoops $\endgroup$
    – Harry West
    Commented Jul 16, 2021 at 14:20

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