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This pdf by David Joyce notes that in paragraph 66 of his famous essay, Dedekind claims to prove the existence of an infinite set.

The proof exploits the assumption that there exists a set $S$ of all things, and that a mathematical thing is an object of our thought. Then if $s$ is such a thing, then the thought, denoted $s'$, that $s$ is a mathematical object is a thing distinct from $s$. Denoting the passage from $s$ to $s'$ by $\phi$, Dedekind gets a self-map $\phi$ of $S$ which is some kind of blend of the successor function and the brace-forming operation. From this Dedekind concludes that $S$ is infinite, QED. This is quite remarkable. It would be interesting to analyze the hypotheses/axioms that would be used in a formalisation of such a proof. Ferreiros alludes to this proof on page 111 of his book Labyrinth of thought but does not analyze it.

Question. Has this proof been analyzed by historians, mathematicians, or philosophers?

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    $\begingroup$ I'm not able to analyze D's proof philosophically, but if we assume that for every thought $s$ we can form a new thought $s'$ different from it, and we can iterate it "ad libitum"... this sounds to me no different from the well-known "intuition" about the unlimited possibility of iterating the operation of successor, that was beautifully studied and axiomatized by ... Dedekind. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 2, 2016 at 17:21
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    $\begingroup$ It is interesting to note that D's argument in §66 is referenced by B.Russell in §339 of Principles: "That there are infinite classes is so evident that it will scarcely be denied. Since, however, it is capable of formal proof, it may be as well to prove it." $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 2, 2016 at 17:41
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    $\begingroup$ But in Principia W&R introduced the Axiom of infinity stating that there exists an infinite number of objects. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 2, 2016 at 17:46
  • $\begingroup$ @Mauro, What kind of proof of the existence of an infinite set does Russell give in Principles of Mathematics? I don't have access to the page via the link you provided (I get a blank screen). $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 3, 2016 at 7:25
  • $\begingroup$ Russell's Principles is freely (and fully) availabe on the web: see here. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 3, 2016 at 8:51

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See pages 107 and following and pages 244 and following of Labyrinth of Thought: A History of Set Theory and Its Role in Modern Mathematics by José Ferreirós (2008).

  • Dedekind and the set-theoretical approach
    1. The algebraic origins of Dedekind's set theory, 1856-58
    2. A new fundamental notion for algebra: fields
    3. The emergence of algebraic number theory
    4. Ideals and methodology
    5. Dedekind's infinitism
    6. The diffusion of Dedekind's views
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    $\begingroup$ The relevant page is 111 where Ferreiros alludes to the proof, but he does not analyze it. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 2, 2016 at 14:14
  • $\begingroup$ Carlo, the pdf by David Joyce is the one I linked in my Question. He does not analyze the proof. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 2, 2016 at 16:11
  • $\begingroup$ apology for this silly oversight on my part, link removed $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 2, 2016 at 16:13
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    $\begingroup$ Ferreiros pointed out privately that the theorem is analyzed in his book on page 244 and following. In fact this is mentioned in a parenthetical comment on page 111 which I did not notice earlier. If you add this information to your answer I will accept it. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 5, 2016 at 15:16
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See Bernard Bolzano (1781–1848)'s Paradoxes of the Infinite (1851):

Bolzano's proof for the existence of an infinite set is well known among mathematicians, and there are references to it even in Cantor 1883/84, Dedekind 1888, and Russell 1903. Bolzano proves by mathematical induction that there are infinitely many “truths in themselves”, i.e., true propositions.

An extract:

The set of all ‘absolute propositions and truths’ is easily seen to be infinite. [...] if we fix our attention upon any truth taken at random, say the proposition that there exist such things as truths, and label it $A$, we find that the proposition conveyed by the words ‘$A$ is true’ is distinct from the proposition $A$ itself, since it has the complete ‘proposition $A$’ for its own subject. Now by the same law which enables us to derive from the proposition $A$ another and different one, which we shall call $B$, we are further enable to derive a third proposition $C$ from $B$, and so forth without end. [...] The reader does not need to be remained of the similarity borne by this series together with its principle of construction to the series of numbers [...] The similarity consists in the fact that to each member of the former there corresponds a member of the latter; in the fact that howsoever large an integer be chosen, there exists a set of so many among the above propositions; and finally in the fact that we can always continue the construction of such propositions [page 85].

See: Richard Dedekind, Was sind und was sollen die Zahlen (1888), Preface to the 2nd edition:

The property which I have employed as the definition of the infinite system had been pointed out before the appearance of my paper by G.Cantor (Ein Beitrag zur Mannigfaltikeitslehre, Crelle's Journal, Vol.84, 1878), as also by Balzano (Paradoxien des Unendlichen, §20, 185). But neither of these authors made the attempt to use this property for the definition of the infinite and upon this foundation to establish with rigorous logic the science of numbers, and just in this consists the content of my wearisome labor which in all its essentials I had completed several years before the appearance of Cantor's memoir and at a time when the work of Bolzano was unknown to me even by name.

and:

§66. Theorem. There exist infinite systems. Proof [footnote: "A similar consideration is found in §13 of the Paradoxien des Unendlichen by Bolzano (Leipzig, 1851).]


Can be interesting to compare Dedekind's argument with "late" Russell's refutation, taking into account that Dedekind is considered a father (with Frege) of logicism.

In his proof, Dedekind consider "the realm of thoughts" as something objective; this view is the same of Frege.

Russell in Introduction to Mathematical Philosophy (1918) refute the argument in brief:

An object is not identical with the idea of the object, but there is (at least in the realm of being) an idea of any object. [...] The main error consists in assuming that there is an idea of every object. It is, of course, exceedingly difficult to decide what is meant by an “idea”; but let us assume that we know.

Here Russell speaks of "ideas in the mind", while for Frege and Dedekind thoughts have objective reality, not reducible to the psychological nature of "ideas".

Now it is plain that this [the infinite iteration of new ideas] is not the case in the sense that all these ideas have actual empirical existence in people’s minds. [...] If the argument is to be upheld, the “ideas” intended must be Platonic ideas laid up in heaven, for certainly they are not on earth. But then it at once becomes doubtful whether there are such ideas. If we are to know that there are, it must be on the basis of some logical theory, proving that it is necessary to a thing that there should be an idea of it. We certainly cannot obtain this result empirically, or apply it, as Dedekind does, to “meine Gedankenwelt” — the world of my thoughts.

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You might want to take a look at Greg Oman's preprint

"Unifying Some Notions Of Infinity In $ZC$ and $ZF$",

It was to appear in Reports on Mathematical Logic, but you can find the preprint in the Publications section of his Homepage.

In that preprint, you might want to take a look at his "Problem 1":

Let $ZC$$-$$I$ denote Zermelo set theory with Choice minus Infinity (extensionality, pairing, union, power set, and choice remain). Study the sentences ($\exists$$x$)$\varphi$($x$) for which $ZC$$-$$I$$+$($\exists$$x$)$\varphi$($x$)$\vDash$"There exists a Dedekind (Tarski) infinite set."

As regards your question (and Dedekind's 'proof' of the existence of an infinite set), you might want to make '$\varphi$' resemble what you describe in your synopsis of Dedekind's 'proof' and see if it (plus $ZC$$-$$I$) satisfies "There exists a Dedekind (Tarski) infinite set." If your '$\varphi$' does satisfy "There exists a Dedekind (Tarski) infinte set.", then one might rightfully claim Dedekind's 'proof' was successful (the 'realm of his thoughts' notwithstanding).

Oman (in his preprint) also states Zermelo's Axiom of Infinity:

There exists a set $Y$ with the following properties: (1) $\emptyset$$\in$$Y$, and (2) For all $y$, {$y$}$\in$$Y$.

In what sense does $Y$ resemble Dedekind's 'realm of thoughts'?

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  • $\begingroup$ That last part is easy: The thought that $x$ is correct is formalized as $\{x\}$. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 13, 2016 at 12:17
  • $\begingroup$ @MikhailKatz: And so we seem to get Zermelo's Axiom of Infinity.... $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 13, 2016 at 12:20
  • $\begingroup$ What is interesting is that a suitable form of the Peano Axioms is actually equivalent to certain set-theoretic axioms plus the negation of the axiom of infinity. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 13, 2016 at 12:22
  • $\begingroup$ @MikhailKatz: That is well-known. Check out Corollary 1 in Oman's preprint. Peano Arithmetic can be defined in $ZC$$-$$I$$+$($\exists$$x$)$\lnot$$\varphi$($x$), where '$\varphi$ ' is Kuratowski-finite $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 13, 2016 at 15:42
  • $\begingroup$ Right, but I wonder how this fits in with the Dedekind thing. After all Dedekind seems to be saying something very similar to the successor function, which does exist in the PA setting, whereas infinite sets don't... $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 13, 2016 at 15:45

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