Skip to main content
replaced http://math.stackexchange.com/ with https://math.stackexchange.com/
Source Link

I seek a metric $d(\cdot,\cdot)$ between pairs of (infinite) lines in $\mathbb{R}^3$. Let $s$ be the minimum distance between a pair of lines $L_1$ and $L_2$. Ideally, I would like these properties:

  • If $L_1$ and $L_2$ are parallel, then $d(L_1,L_2) = s$.

  • $d(L_1,L_2)$ increases with the degree of skewness between the lines, i.e., the angle $\theta$ between their projections onto a plane orthogonal to a segment that realize $s$, where $\theta=0$ for parallel lines and $\theta=\pi/2$ for orthogonal lines.

A natural definition (suggested in an earlier MSE questionan earlier MSE question) is $d(L_1,L_2) = s + |\theta|$. But this is not a metric. For example, a sufficiently large value of $a$ below ensures the triangle inequality will be violated:
     Line Triangle Ineq
I would be interested to learn of metrics defined on lines in space, and whether or not any such metric satisfies the properties above. Perhaps the properties cannot be achieved by any metric?


Update. Here is my current understanding of the rich variety of the erudite answers provided. Apologies in advance if my summary is inaccurate.

First, there is no such metric, interpreting my second condition as (naturally) demanding invariance under Euclidean motions, as convincingly demonstrated by Robert Bryant, Vidit Nanda, and Pierre Simon. Second, a looser interpretation requires only that if we fix $L_1$, then $d(L_1,L_2)$ is monotonic with respect to $\theta$ as $L_2$ is spun "about their intersection point in the plane that contains them [Yoav Kallus]." Then, Will Sawin's metric satisfies this condition. Here is an example of why this metric fails the more stringent condition—it depends on the relationship between the lines and the origin:
   WillMetric
The right lines could be further apart than the left lines (depending on $a$ and $b$).

I seek a metric $d(\cdot,\cdot)$ between pairs of (infinite) lines in $\mathbb{R}^3$. Let $s$ be the minimum distance between a pair of lines $L_1$ and $L_2$. Ideally, I would like these properties:

  • If $L_1$ and $L_2$ are parallel, then $d(L_1,L_2) = s$.

  • $d(L_1,L_2)$ increases with the degree of skewness between the lines, i.e., the angle $\theta$ between their projections onto a plane orthogonal to a segment that realize $s$, where $\theta=0$ for parallel lines and $\theta=\pi/2$ for orthogonal lines.

A natural definition (suggested in an earlier MSE question) is $d(L_1,L_2) = s + |\theta|$. But this is not a metric. For example, a sufficiently large value of $a$ below ensures the triangle inequality will be violated:
     Line Triangle Ineq
I would be interested to learn of metrics defined on lines in space, and whether or not any such metric satisfies the properties above. Perhaps the properties cannot be achieved by any metric?


Update. Here is my current understanding of the rich variety of the erudite answers provided. Apologies in advance if my summary is inaccurate.

First, there is no such metric, interpreting my second condition as (naturally) demanding invariance under Euclidean motions, as convincingly demonstrated by Robert Bryant, Vidit Nanda, and Pierre Simon. Second, a looser interpretation requires only that if we fix $L_1$, then $d(L_1,L_2)$ is monotonic with respect to $\theta$ as $L_2$ is spun "about their intersection point in the plane that contains them [Yoav Kallus]." Then, Will Sawin's metric satisfies this condition. Here is an example of why this metric fails the more stringent condition—it depends on the relationship between the lines and the origin:
   WillMetric
The right lines could be further apart than the left lines (depending on $a$ and $b$).

I seek a metric $d(\cdot,\cdot)$ between pairs of (infinite) lines in $\mathbb{R}^3$. Let $s$ be the minimum distance between a pair of lines $L_1$ and $L_2$. Ideally, I would like these properties:

  • If $L_1$ and $L_2$ are parallel, then $d(L_1,L_2) = s$.

  • $d(L_1,L_2)$ increases with the degree of skewness between the lines, i.e., the angle $\theta$ between their projections onto a plane orthogonal to a segment that realize $s$, where $\theta=0$ for parallel lines and $\theta=\pi/2$ for orthogonal lines.

A natural definition (suggested in an earlier MSE question) is $d(L_1,L_2) = s + |\theta|$. But this is not a metric. For example, a sufficiently large value of $a$ below ensures the triangle inequality will be violated:
     Line Triangle Ineq
I would be interested to learn of metrics defined on lines in space, and whether or not any such metric satisfies the properties above. Perhaps the properties cannot be achieved by any metric?


Update. Here is my current understanding of the rich variety of the erudite answers provided. Apologies in advance if my summary is inaccurate.

First, there is no such metric, interpreting my second condition as (naturally) demanding invariance under Euclidean motions, as convincingly demonstrated by Robert Bryant, Vidit Nanda, and Pierre Simon. Second, a looser interpretation requires only that if we fix $L_1$, then $d(L_1,L_2)$ is monotonic with respect to $\theta$ as $L_2$ is spun "about their intersection point in the plane that contains them [Yoav Kallus]." Then, Will Sawin's metric satisfies this condition. Here is an example of why this metric fails the more stringent condition—it depends on the relationship between the lines and the origin:
   WillMetric
The right lines could be further apart than the left lines (depending on $a$ and $b$).

replaced deprecated tag 'geometry'
Source Link
Ricardo Andrade
  • 6.2k
  • 5
  • 42
  • 69

I seek a metric $d(\cdot,\cdot)$ between pairs of (infinite) lines in $\mathbb{R}^3$. Let $s$ be the minimum distance between a pair of lines $L_1$ and $L_2$. Ideally, I would like these properties:

  • If $L_1$ and $L_2$ are parallel, then $d(L_1,L_2) = s$.

  • $d(L_1,L_2)$ increases with the degree of skewness between the lines, i.e., the angle $\theta$ between their projections onto a plane orthogonal to a segment that that realize $s$, where $\theta=0$ for parallel lines and $\theta=\pi/2$ for orthogonal lines.

A natural definition (suggested in an earlier MSE question) is $d(L_1,L_2) = s + |\theta|$. But this is not a metric. For example, a sufficiently large value of $a$ below ensures the triangle inequality will be violated:
     Line Triangle Ineq
I would be interested to learn of metrics defined on lines in space, and and whether or not any such metric satisfies the properties above. Perhaps the properties cannot be achieved by any metric?


Update. Here is my current understanding of the rich variety of the erudite answers provided. Apologies in advance if my summary is inaccurate.

First, there is no such metric, interpreting my second condition as (naturally) demanding invariance invariance under Euclidean motions, as convincingly demonstrated by by Robert Bryant, Vidit Nanda, and Pierre Simon. Second, a looser interpretation requires only that that if we fix $L_1$, then $d(L_1,L_2)$ is monotonic with respect to $\theta$ as    $L_2$ is spun "about their intersection point in the plane that contains them [Yoav Kallus]." Then, Will Sawin's metric satisfies satisfies this condition. Here is an example of why this metric fails the more stringent stringent condition—it depends on the relationship between the lines and the origin:
   WillMetric
The right lines could be further apart than the left lines (depending on $a$ and $b$).

I seek a metric $d(\cdot,\cdot)$ between pairs of (infinite) lines in $\mathbb{R}^3$. Let $s$ be the minimum distance between a pair of lines $L_1$ and $L_2$. Ideally I would like these properties:

  • If $L_1$ and $L_2$ are parallel, then $d(L_1,L_2) = s$.

  • $d(L_1,L_2)$ increases with the degree of skewness between the lines, i.e., the angle $\theta$ between their projections onto a plane orthogonal to a segment that realize $s$, where $\theta=0$ for parallel lines and $\theta=\pi/2$ for orthogonal lines.

A natural definition (suggested in an earlier MSE question) is $d(L_1,L_2) = s + |\theta|$. But this is not a metric. For example, a sufficiently large value of $a$ below ensures the triangle inequality will be violated:
     Line Triangle Ineq
I would be interested to learn of metrics defined on lines in space, and whether or not any such metric satisfies the properties above. Perhaps the properties cannot be achieved by any metric?


Update. Here is my current understanding of the rich variety of the erudite answers provided. Apologies in advance if my summary is inaccurate.

First, there is no such metric, interpreting my second condition as (naturally) demanding invariance under Euclidean motions, as convincingly demonstrated by Robert Bryant, Vidit Nanda, and Pierre Simon. Second, a looser interpretation requires only that if we fix $L_1$, then $d(L_1,L_2)$ is monotonic with respect to $\theta$ as  $L_2$ is spun "about their intersection point in the plane that contains them [Yoav Kallus]." Then, Will Sawin's metric satisfies this condition. Here is an example of why this metric fails the more stringent condition—it depends on the relationship between the lines and the origin:
   WillMetric
The right lines could be further apart than the left lines (depending on $a$ and $b$).

I seek a metric $d(\cdot,\cdot)$ between pairs of (infinite) lines in $\mathbb{R}^3$. Let $s$ be the minimum distance between a pair of lines $L_1$ and $L_2$. Ideally, I would like these properties:

  • If $L_1$ and $L_2$ are parallel, then $d(L_1,L_2) = s$.

  • $d(L_1,L_2)$ increases with the degree of skewness between the lines, i.e., the angle $\theta$ between their projections onto a plane orthogonal to a segment that realize $s$, where $\theta=0$ for parallel lines and $\theta=\pi/2$ for orthogonal lines.

A natural definition (suggested in an earlier MSE question) is $d(L_1,L_2) = s + |\theta|$. But this is not a metric. For example, a sufficiently large value of $a$ below ensures the triangle inequality will be violated:
     Line Triangle Ineq
I would be interested to learn of metrics defined on lines in space, and whether or not any such metric satisfies the properties above. Perhaps the properties cannot be achieved by any metric?


Update. Here is my current understanding of the rich variety of the erudite answers provided. Apologies in advance if my summary is inaccurate.

First, there is no such metric, interpreting my second condition as (naturally) demanding invariance under Euclidean motions, as convincingly demonstrated by Robert Bryant, Vidit Nanda, and Pierre Simon. Second, a looser interpretation requires only that if we fix $L_1$, then $d(L_1,L_2)$ is monotonic with respect to $\theta$ as  $L_2$ is spun "about their intersection point in the plane that contains them [Yoav Kallus]." Then, Will Sawin's metric satisfies this condition. Here is an example of why this metric fails the more stringent condition—it depends on the relationship between the lines and the origin:
   WillMetric
The right lines could be further apart than the left lines (depending on $a$ and $b$).

Typo.
Source Link
Joseph O'Rourke
  • 150.9k
  • 36
  • 358
  • 958

I seek a metric $d(\cdot,\cdot)$ between pairs of (infinite) lines in $\mathbb{R}^3$. Let $s$ be the minimum distance between a pair of lines $L_1$ and $L_2$. Ideally I would like these properties:

  • If $L_1$ and $L_2$ are parallel, then $d(L_1,L_2) = s$.

  • $d(L_1,L_2)$ increases with the degree of skewness between the lines, i.e., the angle $\theta$ between their projections onto a plane orthogonal to a segment that realize $s$, where $\theta=0$ for parallel lines and $\theta=\pi/2$ for orthogonal lines.

A natural definition (suggested in an earlier MSE question) is $d(L_1,L_2) = s + |\theta|$. But this is not a metric. For example, a sufficiently large value of $a$ below ensures the triangle inequality will be violated:
     Line Triangle Ineq
I would be interested to learn of metrics defined on lines in space, and whether or not any such metric satisfies the properties above. Perhaps the properties cannot be achieved by any metric?


Update. Here is my current understanding of the rich variety of the erudite answers provided. Apologies in advance if my summary is inaccurate.

First, there is no such metric, interpreting my second condition as (naturally) demanding invariance under Euclidean motions, as convincingly demonstrated by Robert Bryant, Vidit Nanda, and Pierre Simon. Second, a looser interpretation requires only that if we fix $L_1$, then $d(L_1,L_2)$ is monotonic with respect to $\theta$ as $L_2$ is spun "about their intersection point in the plane that contains them [Yoav Kallus]." Then, Will Sawin's metric satisfies this condition. Here is an example of why this metric fails the more stringent condition—it depends on the relationship between the lines and the origin:
   WillMetric
The right lines could be further apart than the left lines (depending on $a$ and $b$).

I seek a metric $d(\cdot,\cdot)$ between pairs of (infinite) lines in $\mathbb{R}^3$. Let $s$ be the minimum distance between a pair of lines $L_1$ and $L_2$. Ideally I would like these properties:

  • If $L_1$ and $L_2$ are parallel, then $d(L_1,L_2) = s$.

  • $d(L_1,L_2)$ increases with the degree of skewness between the lines, i.e., the angle $\theta$ between their projections onto a plane orthogonal to a segment that realize $s$, where $\theta=0$ for parallel lines and $\theta=\pi/2$ for orthogonal lines.

A natural definition (suggested in an earlier MSE question) is $d(L_1,L_2) = s + |\theta|$. But this is not a metric. For example, a sufficiently large value of $a$ below ensures the triangle inequality will be violated:
     Line Triangle Ineq
I would be interested to learn of metrics defined on lines in space, and whether or not any such metric satisfies the properties above. Perhaps the properties cannot be achieved by any metric?


Update. Here is my current understanding of the rich variety of the erudite answers provided. Apologies in advance if my summary is inaccurate.

First, there is no such metric, interpreting my second condition as (naturally) demanding invariance under Euclidean motions, as convincingly demonstrated by Robert Bryant, Vidit Nanda, and Pierre Simon. Second, a looser interpretation requires only that if we fix $L_1$, then $d(L_1,L_2)$ is monotonic with respect to $\theta$ as $L_2$ is spun "about their intersection point in the plane that contains them [Yoav Kallus]." Then, Will Sawin's metric satisfies this condition. Here is an example of why this metric fails the more stringent condition—it depends on the relationship between the lines the origin:
   WillMetric
The right lines could be further apart than the left lines (depending on $a$ and $b$).

I seek a metric $d(\cdot,\cdot)$ between pairs of (infinite) lines in $\mathbb{R}^3$. Let $s$ be the minimum distance between a pair of lines $L_1$ and $L_2$. Ideally I would like these properties:

  • If $L_1$ and $L_2$ are parallel, then $d(L_1,L_2) = s$.

  • $d(L_1,L_2)$ increases with the degree of skewness between the lines, i.e., the angle $\theta$ between their projections onto a plane orthogonal to a segment that realize $s$, where $\theta=0$ for parallel lines and $\theta=\pi/2$ for orthogonal lines.

A natural definition (suggested in an earlier MSE question) is $d(L_1,L_2) = s + |\theta|$. But this is not a metric. For example, a sufficiently large value of $a$ below ensures the triangle inequality will be violated:
     Line Triangle Ineq
I would be interested to learn of metrics defined on lines in space, and whether or not any such metric satisfies the properties above. Perhaps the properties cannot be achieved by any metric?


Update. Here is my current understanding of the rich variety of the erudite answers provided. Apologies in advance if my summary is inaccurate.

First, there is no such metric, interpreting my second condition as (naturally) demanding invariance under Euclidean motions, as convincingly demonstrated by Robert Bryant, Vidit Nanda, and Pierre Simon. Second, a looser interpretation requires only that if we fix $L_1$, then $d(L_1,L_2)$ is monotonic with respect to $\theta$ as $L_2$ is spun "about their intersection point in the plane that contains them [Yoav Kallus]." Then, Will Sawin's metric satisfies this condition. Here is an example of why this metric fails the more stringent condition—it depends on the relationship between the lines and the origin:
   WillMetric
The right lines could be further apart than the left lines (depending on $a$ and $b$).

Misspelled Will Sawin's name.
Source Link
Joseph O'Rourke
  • 150.9k
  • 36
  • 358
  • 958
Loading
Typo: then ==> than.
Source Link
Joseph O'Rourke
  • 150.9k
  • 36
  • 358
  • 958
Loading
Corrected as per Yoav.
Source Link
Joseph O'Rourke
  • 150.9k
  • 36
  • 358
  • 958
Loading
(Attempted) Summary of the confusing variety of answers provided.
Source Link
Joseph O'Rourke
  • 150.9k
  • 36
  • 358
  • 958
Loading
edited tags
Link
Joseph O'Rourke
  • 150.9k
  • 36
  • 358
  • 958
Loading
Source Link
Joseph O'Rourke
  • 150.9k
  • 36
  • 358
  • 958
Loading