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Let $V\subset \mathbb{A}^m$ and $W\subset \mathbb{A}^n$ be affine varieties defined over an arbitrary field. Let $f:V\to \mathbb{A}^n$ be a morphism given by polynomials of degree $\leq D$.

Is it true that $$\deg(f^{-1}(W)) \leq \deg(V) \deg(W) D^{\dim(\overline{f(V)})}?$$

Here, by "degree", we mean "sum of the degrees of the irreducible components".


Here is what I have:

  • a proof of the above when $\dim(W) = 0$ (call this Lemma 1),
  • a proof of the simple bound $\deg(\overline{f(V)})\leq \deg(V) D^{\dim(\overline{f(V)})}$ (call this Lemma 2),
  • a proof of the weaker bound $\leq \deg(V) \deg(W) D^{\dim V}$ (UPDATE - I do use this (call it Lemma 3), and prove it, in my self-answer. The proof uses Lemma 2.)

Is there a short, clean actual proof? UPDATE: I claim there is one, and in fact I can prove a stronger, tight bound; see self-answer. I use Lemma 2 and 3 above, but not Lemma 1. Lemma 2 was pointed out to me here (Degree of image of a polynomial map) a long time ago.

PS. Talk of "wonky steps" in the comments refers to a previous attempt at a proof by me (with steps clearly marked as "wonky" by me). The current proof would seem to be correct.

PPS (added a few weeks later). I was recently talking to two algebraic geometers while on semi-vacation. I realize now that there's a potential ambiguity that may make the lack of additional technical conditions in the above rub people the wrong way. When I write $f^{-1}(W)$, I mean the set-theoretic ("geometric"?) preimage, that is, the variety consisting of the points $x$ such that $f(x)$ lies in $W$. It is not the same as the scheme-theoretic or ideal-theoretic preimage, for which the statement would not be true in general without added conditions.

Indeed, Fulton-Macpherson's generalized Bézout theorem (which is the howitzer in the proof) would not be true without extra conditions if the intersection of two varieties $V$ and $W$ were interpreted in the ideal-theoretic sense.

Fortunately the set-theoretic ("geometric"?) preimage (that is, the reduced subscheme of the scheme-theoretic preimage) is what I actually need.

I feel a tad wiser now, and would like to explain the above, but I'm not sure of the format to use; it is not a question. Should I give another self-answer (crediting the two algebraic geometers)?

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  • $\begingroup$ Is that possible that there is a typo and that you want $D^{dim f^{-1}(W)}$ instead of $D^{dim \overline{f(V)}}$? Also, do you assume that $W$ is in the open locus in the base where $f$ is flat? $\endgroup$
    – Libli
    Commented Jul 29, 2023 at 11:28
  • $\begingroup$ 1.No, I actually want $D^{\dim \overline{f(V})}$. 2. You mean the open locus where f^{-1}(f(x)) is always of the right dimension? No. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 29, 2023 at 18:02
  • $\begingroup$ Why? Is there a counterexample? $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 29, 2023 at 18:02
  • $\begingroup$ I don't have a counter-example yet. Do we assume $W$ is a complete intersection, or something? I guess that the proof of your "Lemma1" rely on the fact that any point in $\mathbb{A}^n$ is a complete intersection of $n$ hyperplanes. $\endgroup$
    – Libli
    Commented Jul 29, 2023 at 18:47
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    $\begingroup$ I think that your "wonky step 1" is indeed wonky, by "souping up" the failure in the dimension 0 case. For your $V$, we can take a blowup of the plane at a point, and for your map we can take the contraction. Embed $V$ into affine space so that the exceptional divisor becomes a curve of degree at least $2$. For a $W$, we take a line that passes through the origin, so that $f^{-1}(W)$ is a union of two curves, one mapping isomorphically onto its image, and one which is contracted. When we take a hyperplane section of $f^{-1}(W)$, it will have to have many points of the contracted curve. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 29, 2023 at 22:52

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[I'm editing my original answer slightly so as to work in affine space, for the sake of clarity, since, in the proof of Lemma 3 in the comments, I am really working in affine space. If one needs degree bounds of the kind I'm giving in projective space (not that I do), one can just deduce them from the bounds in affine space, by choosing a copy of $\mathbb{A}^n$ in $\mathbb{P}^n$ such that the complement of $\mathbb{A}^n$ does not contain any of the varieties we are working with. Of course one can do exactly that to prove a projective version of Lemma 3 using the affine version whose proof is in the comments.]

Let $L\subset \mathbb{A}^m$ be a hyperplane of codimension $\dim f^{-1}(W)$ intersecting $f^{-1}(W)$ at $\deg f^{-1}(W)$ points. We restrict to $L$, and have thus reduced matters to the case where $f^{-1}(W)$ is zero-dimensional. (We have exchanged $V$ for $V\cap L$, which of course has degree $\leq \deg(V)$; we haven't touched $W$.)

We can assume now that $V$ (our new $V$) is irreducible, without loss of generality. Then Theorem 2 in section 1.8 of Mumford's Red Book shows that, because $f^{-1}(W)$ is zero-dimensional, we must have $\dim \overline{f(V)} = \dim V$. But then we have our result by Lemma 3 above: $$\deg(f^{-1}(W)) \leq \deg(V) \deg(W) D^{\dim V} = \deg(V) \deg(W) D^{\dim \overline{f(V)}}\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\textrm{QED}.$$


In fact, since we can take $L$ to be generic, we can assume that $V\cap L$ (our new $V$) has dimension $\dim V - \textrm{codim}(L) = \dim V - \dim f^{-1}(W)$. By the same result in Mumford, $\dim f^{-1}(W) \geq \dim(\overline{f(V)\cap W}) + \dim V - \dim \overline{f(V)}$, and so we have really proved that $$\deg(f^{-1}(W)) \leq \deg(V) \deg(W) D^{\dim V - \dim f^{-1}(V)} = \deg(V) \deg(W) D^{\dim(\overline{f(V)}) - \dim(\overline{f(V)\cap W})}.$$ (EDIT: I earlier wrote $\overline{f(V)}\cap W$ here. With the argument as written above, one must work with $\overline{f(V)\cap W}$, as the result in Mumford requires dominance.

It seems to me that one can indeed get $\overline{f(V)}\cap W$ by being a little more roundabout: prove a projective version of Lemma 3 using the affine version of Lemma 3 (choosing a copy $U$ of $\mathbb{A}^n$ in $\mathbb{P}^n$ such that $\mathbb{P}^n\setminus U$ does not contain any components of $f^{-1}(W)$, where $W$ is a projective variety) and then work projectively. This is a bit of a detour.)

At least if $\overline{f(V)} = \mathbb{A}^n$, this new bound is tight in general: if $W$ is given as a complete intersection of hypersurfaces $g_i(\vec{y})=0$, $1\leq i\leq r$ of degree $D_i$ with $\prod_i D_i = \deg(W)$, then $f^{-1}(W)$ is the intersection of $V$ with the hypersurfaces $(g_i\circ f)(\vec{x})=0$ of degree $D_i D$, and so the degree of $f^{-1}(W)$ should be $$\deg(V) \prod_{i=1}^r D_i D = \deg(V) \prod_{i=1}^r D_i \cdot D^{\textrm{codim}(W)} = \deg(V) \deg(W)D^{\dim(\overline{f(V)}) - \dim(\overline{f(V)}\cap W)}.$$

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  • $\begingroup$ Here is a proof of Lemma 3 (namely, $\deg(f^{-1}(W)) \leq \deg(V) \deg(W) D^{\dim V}$). Let $g:V\to V\times \mathbb{A}^n$ be given by $g(x) = (x,f(x))$ and let $\pi_1$ be the projection $V\times \mathbb{A}^n \to V$. Then $$f^{-1}(W) = \pi_1(g(V)\cap (\mathbb{A}^m\times W)),$$ and so, by Bézout and Lemma 2, $$\begin{aligned}\deg(f^{-1}(W)) \leq \deg(g(V) \cap (\mathbb{A}^m\times W))\leq \deg(g(V)) \deg(W) \leq \deg(V) \deg(W) D^{\dim(V)}. \end{aligned}$$ (Whether this was my own past self, my coauthor Daniele Dona or someone on MathOverflow, I cannot recall.) $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 31, 2023 at 7:56
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    $\begingroup$ I think Lemma 3 came out implicitly from my side, given the amount of time I was thinking about both Lemma 2 and this projection trick, but I'm not advancing a claim. Lemma 2 came from this much older question. $\endgroup$
    – D. Dona
    Commented Aug 1, 2023 at 8:40
  • $\begingroup$ @D.Dona I'm very happy to credit it to you, and at any rate it's all going to come out on work by both of us! $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 1, 2023 at 8:58
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    $\begingroup$ So lemma 3 is not proven and hence your "pseudo-proof" of your claimed result is not correct. The reason this proof does not appear in any Sumerians textbooks is because it's just plain wrong, and not at even at the level of the Sumerians. Perhaps you could be slightly more modest and not dare to put yourself at the same level as Chevalley and Fulton? $\endgroup$
    – Libli
    Commented Aug 8, 2023 at 14:09
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    $\begingroup$ @Libli I'm afraid I can't quite understand your example. Are you claiming you have two linear varities in $\mathbb{P}^3$ that intersect in two points? If that's not what you claim, I don't see how it affects what I've said; all I've used in that step is Bézout's theorem in its general form (as in Fulton) - and in affine space at that. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 8, 2023 at 19:43

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