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Let $\mathrm{С}$ be some class of topological spaces that includes at least all subspaces of $\mathbb{R}^n $. Further we are in the category $\mathrm{С}_{*}$ (the category of point spaces; all continuous maps and homotopies preserve the chosen base points). We define $π'_1(X) $ as the set of homotopy classes of products of injective loops in $X$ with the operation $[a] \cdot [b] = [a \cdot b]$. We say that $\mathrm{D} \subset \mathrm{C}$ is essentially wide if for every $X \in \mathrm{C}$ there exists $Y \in \mathrm{D}$ such that $X$ is homotopy equivalent to $Y$.

Is there a $ D $ essentially wide subclass of $ C $ such that, for $ X \in D $

  1. The operation is well defined, i.e. there always exist an injective loop homotopic to $a \cdot b$
  2. The natural embedding of $π'_1 (X) \to π_1 (X)$ is an isomorphism.

We define $π''_1 (X)$ similarly, but with homotopies in the class of injective loops.

Is there a $ D $ essentially wide subclass of $ C $ such that, for $X \in D$

  1. The operation is well defined, i.e. among the classes of injective homotopy there exists and is uniquely a class of loops freely homotopic $a \cdot b$
  2. The natural embedding $π''_ 1(X) \to π_1 (X)$ is an isomorphism.
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    $\begingroup$ Isn't the answer obviously no with $X= S^1$ ? there are few (Homotopy class of) injective map $S^1 \to S^1$ $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 10, 2021 at 3:12
  • $\begingroup$ @SimonHenry Really! It is necessary to extend the class of loops: this is the closure of the class of injective loops with respect to the exponentiation operation. I'll edit the question now, thanks. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 10, 2021 at 3:19
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    $\begingroup$ It's called the weak Whitney embedding theorem. Wikipedia has a page with references. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 10, 2021 at 3:30
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    $\begingroup$ What about passing from $X$ to $X \times \mathbb R^3$ or something? $\endgroup$
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    $\begingroup$ @EschatumVerus I think you misunderstood my comment. In the question, you define the notion of essentially wide ("We say that $D\subset C$ is essentially wide if [...]") but you then use the phrase homotopically wide later on (e.g. "Is there a $D$ homotopically wide subclass [...]"), and indeed the word "essentially" never appears again. Do you really want to use both phrases? (And meanwhile you never use "substantially wide" except in your comment.) $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 10, 2021 at 17:32

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In the Griffiths Twin Cone (or double cone over the shrinking wedge of circles), $G\subseteq \mathbb{R}^3$, all injective loops are null-homotopic yet $\pi_1(G)$ is uncountable. Hence, injective loops don't generate any of the fundamental group. However, as @WillSawin mentions in the comments, it is possible that you can pass to $G\times C$ where $C$ is contractible. This should mean that your first question has a positive answer at least in the case where $C$ is the set of subsets of $\mathbb{R}^n$.

Specifically, given a space $X$ in your class of spaces, we can consider $Y=X\times [0,1]^2$ which is homotopy equivalent to $X$ by the projection and seems to be in the class you are interested in. Given a loop $\alpha:(S^1,\ast)\to (X,x_0)$, we can define paths $\beta_1,\beta_2:[0,1]\to [0,1]^2$ so that $\beta_1(t)=(t,0)$ and $\beta_2:[0,1]\to [0,1]^2$ is some other arc from $(0,0)$ to $(1,0)$ that only meets $[0,1]\times\{0\}$ at its endpoints. Now consider the path $(\alpha(t),\beta_1(t))$ in $Y$ and follow it by the path $(\alpha(\ast),\beta_{2}(1-t))$. This concatenation defines an injective loop in $Y$ whose projection to $X$ is homotopic to $\alpha$. Hence, the injective loops in $Y$ generate the entire fundamental group of $Y$.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thank you, now I see that as $\mathrm{C}$ should have been limited to only subspaces $\mathbb{R}^3$. I am very embarrassed for such a protracted bringing the question to the correct form, so I will accept this answer for now. But with the approval of the senior site contributors, I would like to edit the question again and leave the appropriate "disclaimer". $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 10, 2021 at 22:30
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    $\begingroup$ You are correct that it is a difficult open problem to decide if the fundamental group of every subset of $\mathbb{R}^3$ is torsion-free. It is still the case that the Griffiths twin-cone is an example of a Peano continuum in $\mathbb{R}^3$ where injective paths are unhelpful for understanding $\pi_1$. If you reformulate your question to something just about $\mathbb{R}^3$ it is probably best to just ask a new question. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 10, 2021 at 22:34
  • $\begingroup$ Do you mean that there is no subspace $\mathbb{R}^3$ (1) homotopically equivalent to the Griffiths twin-con and (2) whose fundamental group is realized on injective loops? $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 11, 2021 at 0:13
  • $\begingroup$ No, i only meant what I said. I did not mean to say this stronger statement. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 11, 2021 at 0:23
  • $\begingroup$ Sorry, I did not understand you and thought that you mean that you already know the answer to the question that I would like to ask. Thank you! $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 11, 2021 at 0:27
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For the new version of the question (where you allow to replace the space by a homotopy equivalent one) the answer is now "yes": just replace every $X$ by $\lvert\operatorname{Sing}(X)\rvert$. This is homotopy equivalent at least for $X$ a CW complex, and since $\operatorname{Sing}(X)$ is a Kan complex, every element in $\pi_1$ is represented by an embedded loop.

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  • $\begingroup$ In the question, it is essential that we are talking about arbitrary subsets of $\mathbb{R}^ n $, and not about CW complexes. For example, I think this question may be related to the existence of torsion in the fundamental group of the subset $\mathbb{R}^ 3$ (is this still an open problem for 2021?). $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 10, 2021 at 6:50

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