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Is there an analogue in category theory of the distinction between structures/objects and material/aggregate, a distinction reflected in the grammar associated with count and non-count nouns in English?

This question is motivated by the related comments in the post "Spivak on Category Theory" at the n-Category Cafe. A discussion of the intricacies of the linguistic classification is given in this post.


The paper by Reyes et al. cited in the blog post and below doesn't, to me, capture the essence of everyday intuition guiding distinctions between countable nouns (CNs) referring to countable structures/objects and uncountable mass nouns (MNs) referring to substances/materials (of which structures are made). Substances are quantified by 'volume' or weight (or number of actual or potential containers--ingots, tanks, cups, etc.) rather than count.

The paper states:

The usual way of distinguishing MNs from CNs is by specifying semantical properties that MNs have but CNs lack.

Two or more dogs do not together constitute a larger dog; whereas two or more quantities of matter together constitute a larger quantity of matter. It is customary, following Quine [18, p91], to refer to this property of the extension of MNs as cumulative reference.

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The transformations mentioned before between CNs and MNs are described by functors. One example is the plural formation that takes the CN ‘dog’ into ‘dogs’. Since the extension of this term obviously has the property of cumulative reference, we categorize ‘dogs’ as a MN.

I would not say that 'the dogs', referring to a specific group of dogs, has a cumulative reference and I can certainly count the members of any actual group or groups of dogs. Only 'dogs' as a class of animals as in 'Dogs are sociable' has a MN quality as in 'Liquids are fluid' and an associated syntax in English.

Examples that don't seem to fit the scheme: A 'drop of water' suspended in the air in an environment without gravity has a cumulative (and divisive) reference--I can easily add another drop to obtain a single larger drop (and divide it into smaller drops) yet it's regarded by most people, I believe, as a structure and, therefore, a countable entity/CN and not an uncountable MN, plural or otherwise. Same for a 'pile of sand" (or coins) or a 'line of sand' (or coins). If I add (accumulate) other piles or lines in a suitable way, I maintain a single line or pile yet a pile/piles or a line/lines are regarded as countable structures rather than an uncountable substance. This is in contrast to the discussion of 'dog' as a CN with no cumulative reference--adding dogs doesn't give you a larger dog (nor does dividing give you two smaller dogs, except in reproduction).

Consequently, my cursory review of the paper leaves me skeptical, but I found it thought-provoking, motivating me to ask if the notion of structure versus substance has been categorified (though this wouldn't be suficient to understand all countable versus noncountable nouns, e.g, shirts versus pants, shorts, eyeglasses, or scissors, which are counted as 'pairs of'.)

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    $\begingroup$ I'm not sure if this is what you're after, but for a category-theoretic analysis of count nouns versus mass nouns, you might be interested in Count nouns, mass nouns and their transformations: a category-theoretic unified semantics by Reyes, Reyes, and Zolfaghari. $\endgroup$ Commented May 2, 2021 at 21:43
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    $\begingroup$ Surely if there is a place to look for an analogue of the count/non-count distinction it must be measure theory, not category theory? $\endgroup$
    – Zhen Lin
    Commented May 2, 2021 at 22:35
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    $\begingroup$ @TomCopeland If your strategy for getting an answer to your philosophy / linguistics question is to ask it on a math forum, and if you expect the mathematicians you're talking to to read up on the non-mathematical background themselves, then it's understandable that you would not find your question to be answered to your satisfaction... $\endgroup$ Commented May 3, 2021 at 6:15
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    $\begingroup$ My view is that it does not. Then again, I tend to be a sceptic regarding applications of deductive mathematics to semantics of natural languages. $\endgroup$
    – Zhen Lin
    Commented May 4, 2021 at 3:35
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    $\begingroup$ I have voted to close as unclear after the edit -- I am not a downvoter and I think this is an interesting question, but the answer by Tim is more than I'd imagined would exist on this topic. If it isn't what you're looking for, I think it would be appropriate to narrow this down to a more precise, clearer mathematical objection -- 'if we apply the adjunction to [situation X], we get something that doesn't match natural semantics; here are the computations and their interpretations'. So far you've claimed a few specific circumstances, but I think working out the details of them would help. $\endgroup$
    – Alec Rhea
    Commented May 4, 2021 at 4:17

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The work of Reyes et. al. directly addresses the metaphysical distinction underlying the linguistic distinction between mass nouns and count nouns, from a categorical perspective. Therefore, regardless of whether you're looking for a categorico-linguistic analysis or a categorico-metaphysical analysis, it completely answers your question as stated. If it doesn't answer the question you intended to ask, then you need to clarify your question.

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  • $\begingroup$ I have trouble fitting a pile of sand, a pile of coins, a line of sand, a line of coins, a field of ... , or a drop of water suspended in the air in the space station into the scheme of Reyes et al. Perhaps you can enlighten me. $\endgroup$ Commented May 3, 2021 at 17:40
  • $\begingroup$ I only skimmed the paper, but it seems that they regard count nouns as sets, and mass nouns as sup-lattices. You have an free-forgetful adjunction between sets and sup-lattices, and phrases that involve both mass and count nouns (e.g. "this steak is meat") are interpreted by means of that adjunction. In the paper's proposed semantics, I imagine that a phrase like "a field of lines of piles of coins," involving multiple transitions between mass and count nouns, would simply require using that adjunction several times. (This begins to seem a bit like the bar construction.) $\endgroup$
    – user164898
    Commented May 3, 2021 at 23:37
  • $\begingroup$ In this last comment on "a field of coins of lines of piles of coins" every noun refers to countable structures, not a single substance hence 'a field' = 'one unspecified field' and 'lines', 'piles', and 'coins' are in their plural forms. If the application of the category theory of the paper is correctly interpreted by the user, this is a singular failure of the theory in understanding (the English) language. I've never heard the phrase 'a field of water' rather than say 'a body of water'. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 18, 2023 at 19:17

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