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Question. Let $(\mathcal B,\mathcal N)$ be an analytic (animated associative) ring, $\mathcal A$ be a condensed (animated associative) ring and $f\colon\mathcal A\to\mathcal B$ a surjective map of condensed rings, i.e., it induces a surjection on $\pi_0$.

  1. Do we always have an analytic structure $\mathcal M$ on $\mathcal A$ such that $\mathcal N$ coincides with the induced analytic structure given by $\mathcal M_B[S]:=\mathcal B[S]\otimes_{\mathcal A}^L(\mathcal A,\mathcal M)$ for all extremally disconnected sets $S$?
  2. Is there always a final analytic structure $\mathcal M$ on $\mathcal A$ satisfying the condition above?

First, by the "topological invariance of analytic structure" in Lectures on Analytic Geometry (by the way, this does not seem to be a good terminology because "topological" is more referring to topological spaces than homotopy types), if I am not mistaken, we could assume that both $\mathcal A$ and $\mathcal B$ are static, and thus $\mathcal A\to\mathcal B$ is simply a surjective map of static condensed rings. However, this does not imply that $\mathcal M[S]$ is static for all extremally disconnected sets $S$.


I checked this for the simplest case that $\mathcal A=A$ is a discrete (commutative) ring, $(\mathcal B,\mathcal N)$ is given by a discrete Huber pair $(B,B^+)$ and $f\colon A\to B$ is a surjective map of discrete rings.

In this case, seemingly we could take $A^+:=f^{-1}(B^+)\subseteq A$. Given any monic polynomial $P(T)\in A^+[T]$ and any $x\in A$ such that $P(x)=0$, we have $(f^*P)(f(x))=0$ where $f^*\colon A^+[T]\to B^+[T]$ is the induced map. Since $B^+\subseteq B$ is integrally closed, $f(x)\in B^+$, which implies that $x\in A^+$. In this case, the map $f\colon(A,A^+)\to(B,B^+)$ is a map of discrete Huber rings therefore also of analytic rings. It then follows from the surjectivity that the solidification $(B,B^+)_\blacksquare$ coincides with the induced analytic structure.

Example. When $A\to B$ is given by $\mathbb Q[T]\to\mathbb Q,T\mapsto0$ and $B^+=\mathbb Z$, we have $A^+=\mathbb Z+T\cdot\mathbb Q[T]$.

Moreover, $(A,A^+)$ is obviously the final discrete Huber pair satisfying the condition. It seems reasonable to guess that this is also final as an analytic ring.


Update. The guess about the finality seems to be incorrect: consider the trivial case that $B$ is the zero ring, then $A^+=A$ but the final analytic structure on $A$ seems to be zero.

Update for motivation: $\DeclareMathOperator\AnSpec{AnSpec}$This is part of effort to understand what is the correct "closed embedding" of analytic rings / analytic spectra. It seems reasonable to assume that "closed subset" should have the induced analytic structure (it should be "partially proper"). When $\mathcal A\to\mathcal B$ is surjective, $\AnSpec(\mathcal B,\mathcal N)\to\AnSpec(\mathcal B)\to\AnSpec(\mathcal A)$ could be understood as a composition of embeddings of which the second is closed, then the analytic ring $(\mathcal A,\mathcal M)$ that I seek looks like another factorization $\AnSpec(\mathcal B,\mathcal N)\to\AnSpec(\mathcal A,\mathcal M)\to\AnSpec(\mathcal A)$ of this embedding of which the first embedding is "closed", i.e., "switching" the closedness to the first. Compare with the "immersions" (or locally closed embeddings) in algebraic geometry.

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  • $\begingroup$ This question seems a bit weird to me, to be honest. Is there any reason to believe such a thing ought to exist? $\endgroup$ May 2, 2021 at 19:46
  • $\begingroup$ @PeterScholze I have included a motivation (which is slightly different from how I got it). In particular, one usually embeds a scheme as a closed subscheme of a "good" scheme (such as affine space and projective space) then one could perform several operations to this closed subscheme. I was trying to understand an analytic analogue. $\endgroup$
    – Z. M
    May 3, 2021 at 8:41
  • $\begingroup$ I see, that's helpful! You are right that closed immersion should include "partially proper"=induced analytic ring structure. But I'm not sure about the precise motivation: It ought to be true that anything that's sufficiently "finitely presented" should have such closed immersions into affine space (locally), for some suitable definitions; but I think you want to specify the ambient analytic ring structure on affine space a priori, it shouldn't be imposed a posteriori by the closed subscheme. $\endgroup$ May 3, 2021 at 9:50
  • $\begingroup$ @PeterScholze I don't plan to impose any kind of finiteness. My algebraic model is $R$ being a quasisyntomic $A$-algebra and one factors $A\to R$ as $A\to P\to R$ where $P$ is ind-polynomial (this might be weakened to quasismooth + Frobenius being flat for all primes). For sake of simplicity, take the base to be $\mathbb Z$ and consider an analytic ring $(\mathcal A,\mathcal M)$. By "analytic structure a priori", do you mean that it is possible to take a "free analytic ring" of which the generators could "manage" not only the structure of $\mathcal A$ but also that of $\mathcal M$? ... $\endgroup$
    – Z. M
    May 4, 2021 at 9:53
  • $\begingroup$ [cont'd] I did not believe the possibility of this. I don't believe that the category of analytic rings has projective generators. I suppose that in the formal definition of analytic rings, one should impose that $\mathcal M$ is left Kan extended from $\kappa$-small extremally disconnected sets, I can conceive that the datum involved is essentially small. $\endgroup$
    – Z. M
    May 4, 2021 at 9:58

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