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Let $G$ be a finite group and $\lambda\in G$, consider a set $$D^{p+*}_{G}(\lambda):=\{P\in S^{p+*}_G|P^{\lambda}=P=[P,\lambda]\}$$ where:

$S^{p+*}_{G}$ denotes the set consisting of all non-trivial $p$-subgroups of $G$ with conjugation actions by $G$, and

$[P,\lambda]$ denotes the subgroup of $G$ generated by commutators $[x,\lambda]$ where $x\in P$.

It is clear that the centralizer $C_{G}(\lambda)$ acts on the set $D^{p+*}_{G}(\lambda)$.

Suppose that we take $p=2$, $G=\Sigma_n$, $n\geq 6$, and $\lambda=(1,2,3)$ a $3$-cycle.

Then it seems like in this case the action $C_{\Sigma_n}((1,2,3))$ on $D^{2+*}_{\Sigma_n}((1,2,3))$ is transitive with the stabilizer subgroup isomorphic to $C_{\Sigma_{n-1}}((1,2,3))$.

Does anyone know how to prove this statement?

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  • $\begingroup$ Do you mean subgroups of the same order maybe? Like, Sylow subgroups or something? $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 8, 2021 at 4:40
  • $\begingroup$ No, I just mean non-trivial $p$-subgroups. But according to computer computation it seems like all elements in $D^{2+*}_{\Sigma_n}((1,2,3))$ has same order. $\endgroup$
    – Ling
    Commented Jul 8, 2021 at 5:21

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I will denote $D_{\Sigma_n}^{2+*}((1,2,3))$ by $D$.

We claim that $D$ consists of $n-3$ Klein $4$-groups:

$$D = \{ \langle (1,2)(3,k),(1,3)(2,k) \rangle : 4 \le k \le n \}$$ and the result follows easily from this.

To see this, let $P \in D$. Then the condition $[P,\lambda]=P$ implies that $P$ cannot fix the three points 1,2,3, and then $\lambda \in N_G(P)$ forces $1,2$ and $3$ to be in the same orbit $\Delta$ of $P$.

Then $P$ cannot have any other nontrivial orbits, since otherwise $\lambda$ would centralize the action of $P$ on that orbit, which is a quotient group of $P$, and then we would have $[P,\lambda] \le N$, where $N$ is the kernel of the action of $P$ on that orbit, contradicting $[P,\lambda]=P$.

Now consider the nontrivial orbits of the centre $Z(P)$ of $P$. These are subsets of $\Delta$ all of the same size, and since $\lambda \in N_G(Z(P))$, we find that $1,2,3$ are in the same orbit $\Delta'$ of $Z(P)$.

If $Z(P)$ had any other nontrivial orbits, then we could consider the induced actions of $P$ and $\lambda$ on these orbits. Since $\lambda$ would act as the identity in this induced action, we could not have $[P,\lambda]=P$, so $\Delta'=\Delta$, and $Z(P)$ is transitive on $\Delta$.

But the action of $Z(P)$ on $\Delta$ must be regular, and it is self-centralizing in ${\rm Sym}(\Delta)$, so $P=Z(P)$ and $P$ is abelian.

Then by a standard result, we have $P = [P,\lambda] \times C_P(\lambda)$, so $C_P(\lambda)=1$. But $|C_P(\Delta)| = |\Delta|-3$, so $|\Delta|=4$, and the claim follows easily.

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  • $\begingroup$ I was wondering is it true in general that $D_{G}^{p+*}(\lambda)$ is a discrete poset i.e. any two elements in it are not comparable in the sense of inclusion of subgroups? $\endgroup$
    – Ling
    Commented Oct 9, 2021 at 2:00

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