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If $G$ is a group let $(G^{(m)})_{m \geq 0}$ be the derived series. If there is some $m$ such that $G^{(m+1)} = G^{(m)}$, call the smallest such $m$ the derived length of $G$. I am interested in conditions which control the derived length of finitely generated $G \leq \mathrm{GL}_n(K)$, where $K$ is an arbitrary field. Here are a couple.

  1. If $G$ is actually soluble, then the derived length is bounded in terms of $n$. This was proved by Zassenhaus and sharpened by Newman and others. The sharp bound has the form $O(\log n)$.
  2. Suppose $G$ is finite. Let $P$ be the last term in the derived series. Then any minimal subgroup $S \leq G$ such that $G = PS$ must be soluble, and $G^{(m)} \leq P S^{(m)}$ for each $m$. By 1 this implies that $P = G^{(m)}$ for some $m = O(\log n)$.

On the other hand, any nonabelian free group has infinite derived length, and there are nonabelian free subgroups of $\mathrm{GL}_2(\mathbf{Q})$.

Here are a couple specific questions, to make my question concrete. Let $G \leq \mathrm{GL}_n(K)$ be finitely generated.

  1. If $G$ has finite derived length (aka perfect-by-soluble), must its derived length be bounded in terms of $n$?
  2. If $G$ is soluble-by-perfect, same question.
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  • $\begingroup$ I'm not sure what you assume about $G$ in the question as you first discuss various assumptions (and Question 1 seems better motivated, while in Question 2 it seems to boil down to solvable groups). $\endgroup$
    – YCor
    Commented Feb 12, 2021 at 9:54
  • $\begingroup$ I assume $G$ is finitely generated and contained in $\mathrm{GL}_n(K)$. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 12, 2021 at 10:11
  • $\begingroup$ So Q2 is already answered, you'd better stick to Q1? $\endgroup$
    – YCor
    Commented Feb 12, 2021 at 13:21
  • $\begingroup$ How is Q2 answered? I didn't understand your comment. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 12, 2021 at 14:20
  • $\begingroup$ It's unclear to me that information about the soluble factor on the bottom translates to information about the soluble factor on the top, but maybe I am being thick. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 12, 2021 at 14:27

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