The notion of a stationary set is peculiar in that it applies to subsets of certain very particular posets -- ordinals or powersets. At least to a non-set-theorist, the situation seems to beg for the relevant properties of these posets to be abstracted. I'm wondering if this has been done before. As evidence that it's at least possible, here's one possible approach.

The Setting:

Definition: Let $\kappa$ be an uncountable regular cardinal. Say that a poset $P$ is $\kappa$-generated by $A \subseteq P$ if the following conditions hold:

  1. $P$ is directed and has $\kappa$-small directed joins.
  2. Each $a \in A$ is compact in $P$, i.e. $a \leq \vee_i p_i \Rightarrow \exists i\, a \leq p_i$ if the join is directed.
  3. For each $p \in P$, the set $A_{\leq p} := \{a \in A \mid a \leq p\}$ is $\kappa$-small.
  4. For each $p \in P$, the join $\vee A_{\leq p}$ exists in $P$ and is equal to $p$.

Examples: Let $\kappa$ be an uncountable regular cardinal.

  1. The wellorder $\kappa$ is $\kappa$-generated by itself.
  2. For any set $A$, the restricted powerset $P_\kappa(A)$ is $\kappa$-generated by $A$.
  3. For any join-semilattice $A$, the $\kappa$-small Ind-completion of $A$ is $\kappa$-generated by $A$.

Some familiar concepts:

Definition: Let $\kappa$ be an uncountable regular cardinal and let $P$ be a poset $\kappa$-generated by $A$.

  • A subset $S \subseteq P$ is club if it is closed under $\kappa$-small directed colimits and every $p \in P$ has an upper bound in $S$, and stationary if it meets every club set nontrivially.
  • A filter $\mathcal F \subseteq P(P)$ is fine if for every $a \in A$ it contains the set $P_{\geq a} := \{p \in P \mid p \geq a\}$.
  • A filter $\mathcal F \subseteq P(P)$ is normal if for every $A$-indexed family $(X_a)_{a \in A}$ with $X_a \in \mathcal F$, the diagonal intersection $\Delta_{a \in A} X_a := \{p \in P \mid p \in \cap_{a \leq p} X_a\}$ is in $\mathcal F$.

Observation: If $\mathcal F$ is fine and $\kappa$-complete, then $\mathcal F$ contains each $P_{\geq p}$ for $p \in P$.

Some familiar theorems:

In this setting, we can recover some basic results about stationarity. Applied to the examples (1) and (2) above, one gets some familiar facts.

Proposition: Let $\kappa$ be an uncountable regular cardinal and $P$ a poset $\kappa$-generated by $A$.

  1. The club sets generate the minimal $\kappa$-complete fine normal filter $\mathcal F_{club} \subseteq P(P)$.
  2. Fodor's lemma holds: if $f: P \to A$ is regressive in that $f(s) \leq s$ for each $s \in S$ where $S \subseteq P$ is stationary, then there is a stationary $S_0 \subseteq S$ such that $f|_{S_0}$ is constant.
  3. The club filter is generated by the sets $Cl_f = \{p \in P \mid \forall a \in b,\, f(b) \leq p\}$ for $f: P_\omega(A) \to P$.


  1. Are the notions of clubness / stationarity / fineness / normality / diagonal intersection with respect to a poset in the literature somewhere?
  2. If so, what are they used for?
  3. Is Fodor's lemma known in some form for some general class of posets?
  • $\begingroup$ Your opening remark us not true. Von Neumann ordinals are subsets of their own powerset, and the notion of stationarity for subsets of a powerset is equivalent to that for cardinals when viewed this way. $\endgroup$ Sep 3, 2018 at 22:15
  • $\begingroup$ @MonroeEskew Thanks, of course you're right. I've edited accordingly. $\endgroup$
    – Tim Campion
    Sep 3, 2018 at 22:43

1 Answer 1


You may look at the paper Regressive functions and stationary sets by Karsten Steffens (In: Müller G.H., Scott D.S. (eds) Higher Set Theory (Proc. Conf., Math. Forschungsinst., Oberwolfach, 1977), pp. 423–435. Lecture Notes in Mathematics 669 (1978)):

Review from Mathscinet:

The notions of closed unbounded sets, regressive functions, stationary sets and diagonal intersections are generalized to a wide range of partially ordered sets. The main theme is a generalization of Fodor's theorem and conditions are given under which the generalized theorem holds.


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