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Do there exists a finite capable p-group of class two with property:

  1. $G=\langle x, y, Z(G)\rangle$, $|x|=|y|=p^n$ ,

  2. $Z(G)$ is not cyclic.

  3. $Z(G)$ is not subgroup of $\Phi(G)$, Frattini subgroup of $G$,

  4. $G'$ is cyclic of order $p^n$,

A group $G$ is capable if there exists a group $H$ such that $G\cong\dfrac{H}{Z(H)}$

Thank you

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  • $\begingroup$ Is a capable group the same as a powerful group? $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 2, 2014 at 11:55
  • $\begingroup$ @GeoffRobinson: I adited and add the definition of capable group. $\endgroup$
    – maryam
    Commented Aug 2, 2014 at 12:11

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I am assuming $p$ is odd; a similar example is possible with $p=2$.

Let $ H = \langle x,y \mid x^{p^n} = y^{p^n} = [y,x]^{p^n} = [y,x,y] = [y,x,x] = 1\rangle$. Let $K = C_p\times C_p$. Then both $H$ and $K$ are capable, and hence so is $G=H\times K$. Capability if $K$ is trivial, and follows from the classical theorem of Baer on capable finitely generated abelian groups; capability of $H$ is not difficult, and a witness to the capability of $H$ is the $3$-nilpotent product of two cyclic groups of order $p^n$; you can also derive it from the characterization of the capable $2$-generated $p$-groups of class $2$ in my joint paper with Robert Morse, Certain homological functors of $2$-generator $p$-groups of class $2$, in Computational Group Theory and the Theory of Groups II, Contemporary Mathematics 511, AMS 2010.

Both $H$ and $K$ are of class (at most) $2$, hence so is $G$. $Z(G) = \langle [y,x]\rangle\times K\cong C_{p^n}\times C_p\times C_p$, so $Z(G)$ is not cyclic. Since $\Phi(G)=G^p[G,G]$, it follows that the generators of $K$ do not lie in $\Phi(G)$, so $Z(G)$ is not contained in $\Phi(G)$. And of course $G'=\langle [y,x]\rangle$ is cyclic.

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  • $\begingroup$ I do have to ask: why would we care? i.e., where did these conditions come from, and why should we impose them on a group? $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 3, 2014 at 1:24
  • $\begingroup$ Thank you for nice example with details. I studied all your papers in subject "capable groups" and i want classify all capable p-groups of class two with cyclic commutator subgroup. I worked on it and solved it almost. only i have ambiguity in one part. $\endgroup$
    – maryam
    Commented Aug 3, 2014 at 5:05

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