I am not asking which order types PA proves are well ordered. That would be all up to $\epsilon_0$. Rather I mean, assuming a stronger ambient theory such as Zermelo set theory, which ordinals have the order type of some relation on $\mathbb{N}$ that is defined by a formula of PA (not requiring that PA prove the relation is a well ordering).
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3$\begingroup$ Woohoo! Three answers at once. $\endgroup$– Joel David HamkinsCommented Nov 1, 2012 at 17:24
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These are the recursive ordinals. The same well-order-types can be realized by recursive relations as by hyperarithmetical relations. PA-definable, i.e., arithmetical, falls nicely between these two. (I think you can go considerably lower, say to PTime-computable relations, and still have the same order-types.)
answered Nov 1, 2012 at 17:21
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$\begingroup$ Is this too well know to need a reference when I invoke it in an article? Or can you suggest a reference? $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 1, 2012 at 18:17
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$\begingroup$ It's pretty well-known, but I guess you might as well give a reference. I think it's in Rogers's "Theory of recursive functions and effective computability", but I'm away from Michigan and can't just pull the book off my shelf and check. The result is probably originally due to Kleene, but I don't have a reference for that. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 1, 2012 at 19:14
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The answer is the ordinal $\omega_1^{ck}$, named after Church and Kleene, which is defined to be the supremum of the ordinals coded by a computable relation on $\mathbb{N}$. It happens also to be the supremum of the order types of the relations coded by any arithmetic relation, that is, by any relation definable in the language of arithmetic.
answered Nov 1, 2012 at 17:22
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The computable ordinals---that is, the ordinals below $\omega_1^{CK}$---are, by definition, represented by computable relations, all of which can be represented by formulas in PA, and indeed, even by fairly simple formulas. As Andreas points out, allowing arithmetic formulas instead of computable ones does not change the class of ordinals.
