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Let $\mathbf X := (X, \mathcal S, \mu)$ be a probability space without atoms. We say two measure preserving transformations $T$ and $F$ on $\mathbf X$ are $\delta$-close, for $\delta > 0$, if $ \int_X |Tg - Fg| d\mu < \delta ||g||_{L^\infty}$ for all $g \in L^\infty(X)$.

For any ergodic transformation $T$, and real numbers $\varepsilon, \delta > 0$ does there exist an integer $n > 0$ and an ergodic transformation $G$ such that $G$ is $\delta$-close to the identity transformation and $G^n$ is $\varepsilon$-close to $T$?

Note: $Tg$ (respectively $Fg$) denotes the function composition $g \circ T$ (respectively $f \circ T$).

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    $\begingroup$ If $T$ and $F$ are measure-preserving, doesn't this mean that $T\mu=F\mu=\mu$? $\endgroup$
    – D. Thomine
    Commented Apr 6, 2021 at 7:07
  • $\begingroup$ Oh damn you’re right.. what kind of distance do I want.. $\endgroup$
    – Nate River
    Commented Apr 6, 2021 at 7:45
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    $\begingroup$ What if $X = \{ 1,2 \}$ and $T$ is the permutation $(1 \, 2)$? $\endgroup$
    – Leo Moos
    Commented Apr 6, 2021 at 7:58
  • $\begingroup$ No atoms sir... $\endgroup$
    – Nate River
    Commented Apr 6, 2021 at 8:00
  • $\begingroup$ Whoops, I missed that - my bad. Regardless, what if $X = [0,1] \times \{1,2 \}$ and $T$ is the permutation sending $[0,1] \times \{ 1 \}$ to $[0,1] \times \{ 2 \}$ and vice-versa? $\endgroup$
    – Leo Moos
    Commented Apr 6, 2021 at 8:03

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I'm assuming that by $\delta$-close, you mean $\int |g\circ T-g\circ G|\,d\mu<\delta\|g\|_\infty$. Without the absolute values, everything would be $\delta$-close.

So the answer is no. Here is a proof. The constants are not optimized (at all). I should say (to make it clear where this comes from) is that this is kind of obvious if you're familiar with Rokhlin's lemma. Rokhlin's lemma is the surprising (but simple) result that if $T$ is an ergodic (or in fact if the set of periodic points has measure 0), then for every integer $n$ and every $\epsilon>0$, there exists a set $B$ such that $B$, $T^{-1}B$, ... $T^{-(n-1)}B$ are disjoint and are each of measure $(1-\epsilon)/n$. The remainder is called the "error set", $E$. The picture is that the "levels of the tower", $T^{-(n-1)}B$, ..., $B$ are arranged one above the other and $T$ just moves a point from one level to the next one up. Once it gets to the top, a point may move to the bottom; or it may move to $E$. From $E$ it may move to $E$ or to the bottom of the tower.

First, I claim any transformation that is $\delta$-close to the identity for $\delta<\frac 14$ is equal to the identity on a set of measure at least $\frac14$.

To prove this suppose that $G$ is a transformation that is equal to the identity on a set of measure less than $\frac 14$. Then let $X_j$ be the (measurable) subset of $X$ consisting of points of least period $j$. Then there exists a measurable subset $A_j$ of $X_j$ such that $X_j=A_j\cup G^{-1}A_j\cup \ldots\cup G^{-{j-1}}A_j$ (for instance $A_j=\{x\colon x=\min(x,Gx,\ldots,G^{j-1}x)\}$. Let $B_j=\bigcup_{k<j;\text{ $k$ odd}}G^{-k}A_j$.

Let $X_\infty$ be the remaining set of non-periodic points. Assuming $X_\infty$ has positive measure, then there exists (by Rokhlin's theorem) a subset $B_\infty$ of $X_\infty$ of measure $\frac 13\mu(X_\infty)$ such that $B_\infty\cap G^{-1}B_\infty=\emptyset$.

Finally set $B=(\bigcup_{j=2}^\infty B_j)\cup B_\infty$. Notice that if $x\in B$, then $Gx\not\in B$. Also $\mu(B)\ge \frac 13(\mu(X)-\mu(X_1))>\frac 14$. Hence $\int |\mathbf 1_B\circ I-\mathbf 1_B\circ G|>\frac 14$.

Secondly, I claim that if $T$ is ergodic, and $H$ is the identity on a set of measure at least $\frac 14$, then $T$ and $H$ are not $\frac 7{44}$-close.

Again, by Rokhlin's lemma, let $B$ be a set of measure $\frac 1{11}$ such that $B$, $T^{-1}B,\ldots,T^{-9}B$ are disjoint and let $f$ be the indicator function of $B\cup T^{-2}B\cup\ldots\cup T^{-8}B$. Then $\{x\colon f(x)\ne f(T(x))\}$ has measure at least $\frac {10}{11}$. On the other hand, $\{x\colon f(x)\ne f(H(x))\}\le \frac 34$ since $H$ is the identity on a set of measure at least $\frac 14$. On the symmetric difference of these sets, $|f(H(x))-f(T(x))|=1$. That is, on a set of measure at least $\frac 7{44}$.

But if $G$ is $\frac 1{10}$-close to the identity and $G^n$ is $\frac1{10}$-close to $T$, then by the first part, $G$ is the identity on a set of measure at least $\frac 14$, and so $G^n$ is also the identity on a set of measure at least $\frac 14$. But then by the second fact, $G^n$ is not $\frac7{44}$-close to $T$.

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  • $\begingroup$ This is surprising indeed, that any map close to the identity is the identity on a set of positive measure. I had heard of Rokhlin’s lemma but didn’t think much about its implications. $\endgroup$
    – Nate River
    Commented Apr 11, 2021 at 7:25
  • $\begingroup$ (for instance $A_j=\{x\colon x=\min(x,Gx,\ldots,G^{j-1}x)\}$.) Sorry, what is the minimum over? Are you assuming some kind of measure conjugacy with [0, 1]? $\endgroup$
    – Nate River
    Commented Apr 11, 2021 at 7:37
  • $\begingroup$ Sorry Nate - I had in mind that the space is [0,1] as you say. This is not much of a restriction, but it isn't completely the general case. I'm not sure how you pick a "section" in the general case. Probably in any particular case it would be pretty easy. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 11, 2021 at 14:08
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    $\begingroup$ If you don’t have a Lebesgue space, then something else that works is a countable set of measurable functions that separate points. Then $B_j$ is the set of points that are lexicographically minimal with when you obtain the vector of functions. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 12, 2021 at 3:48
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    $\begingroup$ By the way, re-reading what I wrote it sounds a bit condescending when I say “it’s obvious if you know Rokhlin...”). What I should have said is that there are a bunch of arguments of this flavor. If you know those, this argument feels familiar. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 15, 2021 at 2:30

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