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Suppose one has a model $M$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+BAFA. Does there exist a (class) forcing extension $M[G]$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+$BAFA$ that has a submodel $N$$\vDash$$NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$? Can one also construct permutation models of $NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$?

Note $NGB^{-f}$ is von Neumann-Goedel-Bernays set theory without the axiom of foundation.

$BAFA$ is Boffa's Anti-Foundation Axiom; that is, that

"...for every transitive set $t_0$ and every extensional binary relation $<$$a$,$e$$>$ that end-extends $<$$t_0$, $\in$$>$, meaning $t_0$$\subseteq$$a$ and $\in$$\upharpoonright$$t_0$=$e$$\cap$($a$$\times$$t_0$), there exists a transitive set $t$, and an isomorphism from $<$$a$,$e$$>$ to $<$$t$,$\in$$>$ that is the identity on $t_0$..."

(this from Daghighi's, Golshani's, Hamkins',and Jerabek's preprint "The Role of the Foundation Axiom in the Kunen Inconsistency", from which the notation was taken and the motivation for this question.)

Suppose one has a model $M$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+BAFA. Does there exist a (class) forcing extension $M[G]$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+$BAFA$ that has a submodel $N$$\vDash$$NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$? Can one also construct permutation models of $NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$?

Suppose one has a model $M$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+BAFA. Does there exist a (class) forcing extension $M[G]$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+$BAFA$ that has a submodel $N$$\vDash$$NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$? Can one also construct permutation models of $NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$?

Note $NGB^{-f}$ is von Neumann-Goedel-Bernays set theory without the axiom of foundation.

$BAFA$ is Boffa's Anti-Foundation Axiom; that is, that

"...for every transitive set $t_0$ and every extensional binary relation $<$$a$,$e$$>$ that end-extends $<$$t_0$, $\in$$>$, meaning $t_0$$\subseteq$$a$ and $\in$$\upharpoonright$$t_0$=$e$$\cap$($a$$\times$$t_0$), there exists a transitive set $t$, and an isomorphism from $<$$a$,$e$$>$ to $<$$t$,$\in$$>$ that is the identity on $t_0$..."

(this from Daghighi's, Golshani's, Hamkins',and Jerabek's preprint "The Role of the Foundation Axiom in the Kunen Inconsistency", from which the notation was taken and the motivation for this question.)

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Suppose one has a model $M$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+BAFA. Does there exist a (class) forcing extension $M[G]$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+$BAFA$ that has a submodel $N$$\vDash$$NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$? Can one also construct permutation models of $NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$?

Suppose one has a model $M$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+BAFA. Does there exist a forcing extension $M[G]$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+$BAFA$ that has a submodel $N$$\vDash$$NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$? Can one also construct permutation models of $NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$?

Suppose one has a model $M$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+BAFA. Does there exist a (class) forcing extension $M[G]$$\vDash$$NGBC^{-f}$+$BAFA$ that has a submodel $N$$\vDash$$NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$? Can one also construct permutation models of $NGB^{-f}$+$BAFA$+$\lnot$$AC$?

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