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Different definitions of athe rank of a module

1- In nlab (here http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/rank), for quite general modules, the rank is defined locally at $p\in Spec(R)$ as the dimension over the residue field $\kappa(p)$ of the $\kappa(p)$ vector space $M_p/pM_p$. When $M$ is of finite type, this is the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ over $R_p$

2- The usual definition of the rank of a module when this module is projective of finite type is locally the rank of the free module $M_p$ over $R_p$ (see here Rank of a module for instance). This function rank is locally constant, and therefore when $R$ is a domain, is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

3- When $R$ is a domain, Matsumura defines the rank of a quite general module $M$ by the maximum number of independent elements, that is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

  1. Here in nLab, for quite general modules, the rank is defined locally at $p\in \mathrm{Spec}(R)$ as the dimension over the residue field $\kappa(p)$ of the $\kappa(p)$ vector space $M_p/pM_p$. When $M$ is of finite type, this is the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ over $R_p$.

  2. The usual definition of the rank of a module when this module is projective of finite type is locally the rank of the free module $M_p$ over $R_p$. (see mathoverflow.net/questions/29993 for instance). This function rank is locally constant, and therefore when $R$ is a domain, is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

  3. When $R$ is a domain, Matsumura defines the rank of a quite general module $M$ by the maximum number of independent elements, that is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

 

EDITEDIT: In case the ring $R$ is noetherian and $M$ is of finite type, we have the following generalization of Matsumura's definition, if $Q$ is the total ring of fraction of $R$, with the equivalence of all the following propositions

1- $M$ is of rank $r$

2- $M\otimes Q$ is a free rank $r$ module over $Q$

3- The maximum number of independent elements of $M$ is $r$

4- There exists a submodule $N$ of $M$ such that $M/N$ is torsionstatements:

5- For all prime $p$ associated to $R$, $M_p$ is free of rank $r$ over $R_p$

  1. $M$ is of rank $r$.

  2. $M\otimes Q$ is a free rank $r$ module over $Q$.

  3. The maximum number of independent elements of $M$ is $r$.

  4. There exists a submodule $N$ of $M$ such that $M/N$ is torsion.

  5. For all prime $p$ associated to $R$, $M_p$ is free of rank $r$ over $R_p$.

Different definitions of a rank of a module

1- In nlab (here http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/rank), for quite general modules, the rank is defined locally at $p\in Spec(R)$ as the dimension over the residue field $\kappa(p)$ of the $\kappa(p)$ vector space $M_p/pM_p$. When $M$ is of finite type, this is the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ over $R_p$

2- The usual definition of the rank of a module when this module is projective of finite type is locally the rank of the free module $M_p$ over $R_p$ (see here Rank of a module for instance). This function rank is locally constant, and therefore when $R$ is a domain, is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

3- When $R$ is a domain, Matsumura defines the rank of a quite general module $M$ by the maximum number of independent elements, that is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

EDIT: In case the ring $R$ is noetherian and $M$ is of finite type, we have the following generalization of Matsumura's definition, if $Q$ is the total ring of fraction of $R$, with the equivalence of all the following propositions

1- $M$ is of rank $r$

2- $M\otimes Q$ is a free rank $r$ module over $Q$

3- The maximum number of independent elements of $M$ is $r$

4- There exists a submodule $N$ of $M$ such that $M/N$ is torsion

5- For all prime $p$ associated to $R$, $M_p$ is free of rank $r$ over $R_p$

Different definitions of the rank of a module

  1. Here in nLab, for quite general modules, the rank is defined locally at $p\in \mathrm{Spec}(R)$ as the dimension over the residue field $\kappa(p)$ of the $\kappa(p)$ vector space $M_p/pM_p$. When $M$ is of finite type, this is the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ over $R_p$.

  2. The usual definition of the rank of a module when this module is projective of finite type is locally the rank of the free module $M_p$ over $R_p$. (see mathoverflow.net/questions/29993 for instance). This function rank is locally constant, and therefore when $R$ is a domain, is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

  3. When $R$ is a domain, Matsumura defines the rank of a quite general module $M$ by the maximum number of independent elements, that is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

 

EDIT: In case the ring $R$ is noetherian and $M$ is of finite type, we have the following generalization of Matsumura's definition, if $Q$ is the total ring of fraction of $R$, with the equivalence of all the following statements:

  1. $M$ is of rank $r$.

  2. $M\otimes Q$ is a free rank $r$ module over $Q$.

  3. The maximum number of independent elements of $M$ is $r$.

  4. There exists a submodule $N$ of $M$ such that $M/N$ is torsion.

  5. For all prime $p$ associated to $R$, $M_p$ is free of rank $r$ over $R_p$.

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I have seen different definitions of a rank of a module $M$ over a commutative ring $R$.

1- In nlab (here http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/rank), for quite general modules, the rank is defined locally at $p\in Spec(R)$ as the dimension over the residue field $\kappa(p)$ of the $\kappa(p)$ vector space $M_p/pM_p$. When $M$ is of finite type, this is the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ over $R_p$

2- The usual definition of the rank of a module when this module is projective of finite type is locally the rank of the free module $M_p$ over $R_p$ (see here Rank of a moduleRank of a module for instance). This function rank is locally constant, and therefore when $R$ is a domain, is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

3- When $R$ is a domain, Matsumura defines the rank of a quite general module $M$ by the maximum number of independent elements, that is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

Clearly, all these definitions coincides when $M$ is projective of finite type. When $R$ is a domain, and $M$ only of finite type, I see no reason why they should outside of the ideal $0$. I mean, in that case, to be projective for $M$ is the same as to be locally free. But if $M$ is not projective, the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ (definition 1) does not necessarily coincides with the global maximum of independent elements (definition 3), right ?

Did I misunderstand something ? If I didn't, which definition should be used ? And in the case of $M$ is only of finite type ?

EDIT: In case the ring $R$ is noetherian and $M$ is of finite type, we have the following generalization of Matsumura's definition, if $Q$ is the total ring of fraction of $R$, with the equivalence of all the following propositions

1- $M$ is of rank $r$

2- $M\otimes Q$ is a free rank $r$ module over $Q$

3- The maximum number of independent elements of $M$ is $r$

4- There exists a submodule $N$ of $M$ such that $M/N$ is torsion

5- For all prime $p$ associated to $R$, $M_p$ is free of rank $r$ over $R_p$

I like this last definition because this is the most global one when $R$ is not a domain (provided the module actually have a finite rank ...), and it is additive on exact sequence when two of the terms actually have finite rank.

I have seen different definitions of a rank of a module $M$ over a commutative ring $R$.

1- In nlab (here http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/rank), for quite general modules, the rank is defined locally at $p\in Spec(R)$ as the dimension over the residue field $\kappa(p)$ of the $\kappa(p)$ vector space $M_p/pM_p$. When $M$ is of finite type, this is the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ over $R_p$

2- The usual definition of the rank of a module when this module is projective of finite type is locally the rank of the free module $M_p$ over $R_p$ (see here Rank of a module for instance). This function rank is locally constant, and therefore when $R$ is a domain, is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

3- When $R$ is a domain, Matsumura defines the rank of a quite general module $M$ by the maximum number of independent elements, that is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

Clearly, all these definitions coincides when $M$ is projective of finite type. When $R$ is a domain, and $M$ only of finite type, I see no reason why they should outside of the ideal $0$. I mean, in that case, to be projective for $M$ is the same as to be locally free. But if $M$ is not projective, the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ (definition 1) does not necessarily coincides with the global maximum of independent elements (definition 3), right ?

Did I misunderstand something ? If I didn't, which definition should be used ? And in the case of $M$ is only of finite type ?

EDIT: In case the ring $R$ is noetherian and $M$ is of finite type, we have the following generalization of Matsumura's definition, if $Q$ is the total ring of fraction of $R$, with the equivalence of all the following propositions

1- $M$ is of rank $r$

2- $M\otimes Q$ is a free rank $r$ module over $Q$

3- The maximum number of independent elements of $M$ is $r$

4- There exists a submodule $N$ of $M$ such that $M/N$ is torsion

5- For all prime $p$ associated to $R$, $M_p$ is free of rank $r$ over $R_p$

I like this last definition because this is the most global one when $R$ is not a domain (provided the module actually have a finite rank ...), and it is additive on exact sequence when two of the terms actually have finite rank.

I have seen different definitions of a rank of a module $M$ over a commutative ring $R$.

1- In nlab (here http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/rank), for quite general modules, the rank is defined locally at $p\in Spec(R)$ as the dimension over the residue field $\kappa(p)$ of the $\kappa(p)$ vector space $M_p/pM_p$. When $M$ is of finite type, this is the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ over $R_p$

2- The usual definition of the rank of a module when this module is projective of finite type is locally the rank of the free module $M_p$ over $R_p$ (see here Rank of a module for instance). This function rank is locally constant, and therefore when $R$ is a domain, is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

3- When $R$ is a domain, Matsumura defines the rank of a quite general module $M$ by the maximum number of independent elements, that is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

Clearly, all these definitions coincides when $M$ is projective of finite type. When $R$ is a domain, and $M$ only of finite type, I see no reason why they should outside of the ideal $0$. I mean, in that case, to be projective for $M$ is the same as to be locally free. But if $M$ is not projective, the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ (definition 1) does not necessarily coincides with the global maximum of independent elements (definition 3), right ?

Did I misunderstand something ? If I didn't, which definition should be used ? And in the case of $M$ is only of finite type ?

EDIT: In case the ring $R$ is noetherian and $M$ is of finite type, we have the following generalization of Matsumura's definition, if $Q$ is the total ring of fraction of $R$, with the equivalence of all the following propositions

1- $M$ is of rank $r$

2- $M\otimes Q$ is a free rank $r$ module over $Q$

3- The maximum number of independent elements of $M$ is $r$

4- There exists a submodule $N$ of $M$ such that $M/N$ is torsion

5- For all prime $p$ associated to $R$, $M_p$ is free of rank $r$ over $R_p$

I like this last definition because this is the most global one when $R$ is not a domain (provided the module actually have a finite rank ...), and it is additive on exact sequence when two of the terms actually have finite rank.

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Discrepancies in different Different definitions of a rank of a module?

I have seen different definitions of a rank of a module $M$ over a commutative ring $R$.

1- In nlab (here http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/rank), for quite general modules, the rank is defined locally at $p\in Spec(R)$ as the dimension over the residue field $\kappa(p)$ of the $\kappa(p)$ vector space $M_p/pM_p$. When $M$ is of finite type, this is the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ over $R_p$

2- The usual definition of the rank of a module when this module is projective of finite type is locally the rank of the free module $M_p$ over $R_p$ (see here Rank of a module for instance). This function rank is locally constant, and therefore when $R$ is a domain, is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

3- When $R$ is a domain, Matsumura defines the rank of a quite general module $M$ by the maximum number of independent elements, that is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

Clearly, all these definitions coincides when $M$ is projective of finite type. When $R$ is a domain, and $M$ only of finite type, I see no reason why they should outside of the ideal $0$. I mean, in that case, to be projective for $M$ is the same as to be locally free. But if $M$ is not projective, the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ (definition 1) does not necessarily coincides with the global maximum of independent elements (definition 3), right ?

Did I misunderstand something ? If I didn't, which definition should be used ? And in the case of $M$ is only of finite type ?

EDIT: In case the ring $R$ is noetherian and $M$ is of finite type, we have the following generalization of Matsumura's definition, if $Q$ is the total ring of fraction of $R$, with the equivalence of all the following propositions

1- $M$ is of rank $r$

2- $M\otimes Q$ is a free rank $r$ module over $Q$

3- The maximum number of independent elements of $M$ is $r$

4- There exists a submodule $N$ of $M$ such that $M/N$ is torsion

5- For all prime $p$ associated to $R$, $M_p$ is free of rank $r$ over $R_p$

I like this last definition because this is the most global one when $R$ is not a domain (provided the module actually have a finite rank ...), and it is additive on exact sequence when two of the terms actually have finite rank.

Discrepancies in different definitions of a rank of a module?

I have seen different definitions of a rank of a module $M$ over a commutative ring $R$.

1- In nlab (here http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/rank), for quite general modules, the rank is defined locally at $p\in Spec(R)$ as the dimension over the residue field $\kappa(p)$ of the $\kappa(p)$ vector space $M_p/pM_p$. When $M$ is of finite type, this is the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ over $R_p$

2- The usual definition of the rank of a module when this module is projective of finite type is locally the rank of the free module $M_p$ over $R_p$ (see here Rank of a module for instance). This function rank is locally constant, and therefore when $R$ is a domain, is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

3- When $R$ is a domain, Matsumura defines the rank of a quite general module $M$ by the maximum number of independent elements, that is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

Clearly, all these definitions coincides when $M$ is projective of finite type. When $R$ is a domain, and $M$ only of finite type, I see no reason why they should outside of the ideal $0$. I mean, in that case, to be projective for $M$ is the same as to be locally free. But if $M$ is not projective, the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ (definition 1) does not necessarily coincides with the global maximum of independent elements (definition 3), right ?

Did I misunderstand something ? If I didn't, which definition should be used ? And in the case of $M$ is only of finite type ?

Different definitions of a rank of a module

I have seen different definitions of a rank of a module $M$ over a commutative ring $R$.

1- In nlab (here http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/rank), for quite general modules, the rank is defined locally at $p\in Spec(R)$ as the dimension over the residue field $\kappa(p)$ of the $\kappa(p)$ vector space $M_p/pM_p$. When $M$ is of finite type, this is the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ over $R_p$

2- The usual definition of the rank of a module when this module is projective of finite type is locally the rank of the free module $M_p$ over $R_p$ (see here Rank of a module for instance). This function rank is locally constant, and therefore when $R$ is a domain, is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

3- When $R$ is a domain, Matsumura defines the rank of a quite general module $M$ by the maximum number of independent elements, that is the dimension of the vector space $M\otimes K$ over $K=R_0$.

Clearly, all these definitions coincides when $M$ is projective of finite type. When $R$ is a domain, and $M$ only of finite type, I see no reason why they should outside of the ideal $0$. I mean, in that case, to be projective for $M$ is the same as to be locally free. But if $M$ is not projective, the local minimum of generators of $M_p$ (definition 1) does not necessarily coincides with the global maximum of independent elements (definition 3), right ?

Did I misunderstand something ? If I didn't, which definition should be used ? And in the case of $M$ is only of finite type ?

EDIT: In case the ring $R$ is noetherian and $M$ is of finite type, we have the following generalization of Matsumura's definition, if $Q$ is the total ring of fraction of $R$, with the equivalence of all the following propositions

1- $M$ is of rank $r$

2- $M\otimes Q$ is a free rank $r$ module over $Q$

3- The maximum number of independent elements of $M$ is $r$

4- There exists a submodule $N$ of $M$ such that $M/N$ is torsion

5- For all prime $p$ associated to $R$, $M_p$ is free of rank $r$ over $R_p$

I like this last definition because this is the most global one when $R$ is not a domain (provided the module actually have a finite rank ...), and it is additive on exact sequence when two of the terms actually have finite rank.

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