Given a set $S$, a function $M: S\times S \rightarrow S$ is a **mean** if it satisfies the properties: 1. $M(a,a)=a$ 2. $M(a,b)=M(b,a)$. and possibly 3. $M(M(a,b),M(a,c))=M(a,M(b,c))\qquad$ **(weak associativity)** 4. $M(M(a,b),M(c,d))=M(M(a,c),M(b,d))\qquad$ (**strong associativity**) 5. $a\ne b \implies a\ne M(a,b)\ne b\qquad$ (**non-singularity, separation**?). When $S$ is an abelian groupoid or an ordered set or a topological space, $M$ can have additional specific requirements, such as: 6. $M(ac,bc)=cM(a,b)\qquad$ (**homogeneousness**) 7. $a < b \implies a\le M(a,b) \le b\qquad$ (**order preservation**) 8. **continuity**. In general (3) does not imply (4) as can be seen in this example for $S=\{a,b,c,d,e\}$: $$ \begin{array}{c|ccccc} M & a & b & c & d & e\\ \hline a & a & a & a & a & a\\ b & a & b & d & c & a\\ c & a & d & c & b & a\\ d & a & c & b & d & e\\ e & a & a & a & e & e\\ \end{array}$$ where $M(M(b,c),M(d,e)) \ne M(M(b,d),M(c,e))$. Here are some of the questions that come to mind. **Q1**. Is there a finite example where (3) and (5) hold, but not (4)? I know that $S$ will need to have at least 6 elements. **Q2**. Does $M$ in the above example naturally extend to a mean in $\mathbb{R}[a,b,c,d,e]$ where both (3) and (6) hold? Another example: if $A$ and $G$ are the arithmetic and geometric means on $\mathbb{R}^+$, it's easy to check that the mean function $M(x,y)=G(A(x,y),G(x,y))$ satisfies all the properties except (3) and (4). **Q3**. Assuming all of the above properties **except** (4) hold for $M$ on $\mathbb{R}^+$, does (4) follow? **Q4**. My starting point leading to this post: if all the above properties, including (4), hold for $M$ on $\mathbb{R}^+$, does it follow that $M$ is equivalent to the arithmetic mean, in the sense that $M(x,y)=f^{-1}\big(\frac{f(x)+f(y)}{2}\big)$ for some continous strictly monotonic function $f: \mathbb{R}^+ \to \mathbb{R}$? I welcome suggestions for improvements to this post and references to relevant work.