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What makes dependent type theory more suitable than set theory for proof assistants?

In his talk, The Future of Mathematics, Dr. Kevin Buzzard states that Lean is the only existing proof assistant suitable for formalizing all of math. In the Q&A part of the talk (at 1:00:00) he ...
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Pressure to defend the relevance of one's area of mathematics

I am a set theorist. Since I began to study this subject, I became increasingly aware of negative attitudes about it. These were expressed both from an internal and an external perspective. By the “...
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What's wrong with the surreals?

Of all the constructions of the reals, the construction via the surreals seems the most elegant to me. It seems to immediately capture the total ordering and precision of Dedekind cuts at a ...
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Arguments against large cardinals

I started to learn about large cardinals a while ago, and I read that the existence, and even the consistency of the existence of an inaccessible cardinal, i.e. a limit cardinal which is additionally ...
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When size matters in category theory for the working mathematician

I think a related question might be this (Set-Theoretic Issues/Categories). There are many ways in which you can avoid set theoretical paradoxes in dealing with category theory (see for instance ...
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Do set-theorists use informal set theory as their meta-theory when talking about models of ZFC?

Here, Noah Schweber writes the following: Most mathematics is not done in ZFC. Most mathematics, in fact, isn't done axiomatically at all: rather, we simply use propositions which seem "intuitively ...
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Why do categorical foundationalists want to escape set theory?

This is a question that I have seen asked passively in comments relating to the separation of category theory from set theory, but I haven't seen it addressed in full. I know that it's possible to ...
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Wiki for consequences of axiom of choice?

I raised the following question as part of another MO question, but I am following the suggestion of Nate Eldredge to make it a question in its own right. For many years, there has a been a valuable ...
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Is "all categorical reasoning formally contradictory"?

In the December 2009 issue of the newsletter of the European Mathematical Society there is a very interesting interview with Pierre Cartier. In page 33, to the question What was the ontological ...
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Should there be a true model of set theory?

As I understand it, there is a program in set theory to produce an ultimate, canonical model of set theory which, among other things, positively answers the Continuum Hypothesis and various questions ...
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Why should we care about "higher infinities" outside of set theory?

Let's say you are a prospective mathematician with some addled ideas about cardinality. If you assumed that the natural numbers were finite, you'd quickly vanish in a puff of logic. :) If you ...
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Why are proofs so valuable, although we do not know that our axiom system is consistent? [closed]

As a person who has been spending significant time to learn mathematics, I have to admit that I sometimes find the fact uncovered by Godel very upsetting: we never can know that our axiom system is ...
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What is the definition of a large cardinal axiom?

In different books one can find different implicit definitions for a large cardinal axiom. My question is that which one of these definitions are more popular or standard amongst set theorists? Any ...
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Why do we need "canonical" well orders?

(I asked this question on Math.SE earlier but received no response and am therefore moving it here, please note that I realise this question is probably incredibly naïve for the experienced set-...
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Are proper classes objects?

Many of us presume that mathematics studies objects. In agreement with this, set theorists often say that they study the well founded hereditarily extensional objects generated ex nihilo by the "...
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Where are Georg Cantor's Original Manuscripts?

Georg Cantor is famous for introducing transfinite numbers and set theory. A main part of his mathematical point of view about this new type of "numbers" and this new "realm of mathematics" cannot be ...
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Philosophical arguments in defense (or against) large cardinals

The question is essentially what is asked in the title. I split it into two parts (A) (Arguments supporting the existence of large cardinals) What are the main philosophical arguments in defense of ...
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Which kind of foundation are mathematicians using when proving metatheorems?

Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory (with choice) is commonly accepted as the standard foundation of mathematics. It is a material set theory. For every two objects/sets $a,b$ one can ask whether $a=b$ or not....
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What examples of existence forcing proofs are there?

Forcing proofs tend to be fairly constructive, in the sense that if I claim that there is a forcing that does something, I usually prove this by constructing that forcing. There are only a handful of ...
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What is so special about set theory anyway? [closed]

(Later edit - tried to clarify a couple of vague places concerning interpretations of theories that became evident in comments (thanks to Andrej Bauer, Mauro ALLEGRANZA and Emil Jeřábek). (To closers ...
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The Importance of ZF

It seems as though many consider ZF to be the foundational set of axioms for all of mathematics (or at least, a crucial part of the foundations); when a theorem is found to be independent of ZF, it's ...
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Why did Gödel name his constructible universe $L$?

It seems like Gödel didn't use the letter $L$ for his model before his book "The Consistency of the Axiom of Choice and of the Generalized Continuum-Hypothesis with the Axioms of Set Theory", which is ...
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What are the current views on consistency of Reinhardt cardinals without AC?

It's well known that Reinhardt cardinals are inconsistent, provided that we have access to axiom of choice, but, as far as I know, we are clueless about this when we don't assume choice. For me, the ...
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What did Paul Cohen mean by saying that generic sets of natural numbers have "no asymptotic density?"

In Paul Cohen's original 1963 paper on forcing, The independence of the Continuum Hypothesis, published in PNAS, he gives his general proof sketch of how he intends to create a model of ZFC that doesn'...
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Why is inner model theory evidence for consistency of large cardinals?

I want to understand the viewpoint that existence of canonical inner model for a large cardinal notion is strong evidence for its consistency. For example, below is Trevor Wilson's answer to What &...
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Where did Zermelo first model the natural numbers by iterates of the singleton operator, and have the definitions been compared by himself?

E. Zermelo is widely said to have modelled the (axioms of the) natural numbers by iterating the singleton operation $\{\cdot\}\colon \mathsf{Set}\rightarrow\mathsf{Set}$, $S\mapsto\{S\}$, whence the ...
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What is the motivation behind inner model theory?

Inner model theory aims to construct canonical inner models which captures as much of V as possible, which now is formulated more concretely as to build (fine structural) mice that contain many large ...
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Does inner model theory seek canonical models for large cardinals?

Like the author of this question, I have heard that a main goal of inner model theory is building canonical inner models for large cardinals. My questions are: (a) Is this accurate? (b) If so, in ...
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Are there interesting examples of theorems proved using ‘height’ extensions?

It's well known that forcing is more than a tool for proving independence: We can prove theorems and formulate axioms in theories like $\mathsf{ZFC}$ by moving to forcing extensions (e.g. $\mathfrak{p}...
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Hausdorff and Naive Set Theory

Erhard Scholz, in his article "Felix Hausdorff and the Hausdorff edition" writes the following: "Hausdorff considered the contemporary attempts to secure axiomatic foundations for set theory as ...
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Is there a ground between Set Theory and Group Theory/Algebra?

It is well known that there are strong links between Set Theory and Topology/Real Analysis. For instance, the study of Suslin's Problem turns out to be a set theoretic problem, even though it started ...
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Models of ZFC Set Theory - Getting Started

For just any first-order theory: What are the sets I am supposed/allowed to think of when thinking of models as sets (of something + additional structure)? Provided: I can think of models of any ...
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Why isn't there more interest in "large powerset axioms"?

By a large powerset axiom, let us mean informally an axiom that says that for some cardinal numbers $\kappa$, we have that $2^\kappa$ is somehow "large" or "difficult to access from below." For ...
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the delta system lemma outside set theory

The lemma: Any uncountable set $S$ of finite sets has an uncountable subset $\Delta \subseteq S$ and an $x$ such that $\forall a,b \in \Delta$, if $a \neq b$ then $a \cap b = x$. $\Delta$ is called a ...
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Philosophy of forcing and ctm

I asked a similar question on SE before and received an answer. Not completely convinced, I decided to ask it here with some modifications. Note: I understand how forcing works and how it proves ...
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measure theory for regular cardinals

Measure theory is somewhat focused on the cardinal $\aleph_0$: First of all we have the usual $\sigma$-additivity, Polish (separable!) spaces such as $\mathbb{R}^n$, countable sequences and limits, ...
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Are there some interesting propositions independent with ZF+V=L that do not increase consistency strength?

In some MO questions such as this and this, Hamkins gave some examples that is independent with ZF+V=L, however, all of them increase the consistency strength. Are there some propositions P, which is ...
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What is the etymology of zero-sharp?

I have wondered for a while what gave rise to the notation $0^\sharp$. According to wikipedia this is due to Solovay in 1967, but (perhaps unsurprisingly) there's no discussion of why that notation ...
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Road to Solovay's Land.

In the first semester of 2012 I took a course in General Topology and Set Theory, at undergraduate level. For topology, I was instructed to use Engelking's General Topology; albeit I had a great ...
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Why is this theorem (about $L(P(\omega_1))^V$ and $L(P(\omega_1))^{V[G]}$) nice?

I was recently told that the following (due to M. Viale) is a nice theorem: Suppose there are arbitrarily large supercompacts, and $\mathrm{MM}$ holds in $V$. Let $G$ be generic for a proper ...
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Explicit uses of alephs above 'small ones'

In a paper placed on the arXiv today Shelah references theorem 0.9 from this paper (also Shelah) that uses $\aleph_{736}$ as an upper bound. This strikes me as analogous to Skewes' number. Are there ...
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Does equality between sets contradict the philosophy behind structural set theory?

Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory (with choice) is commonly accepted as the standard foundation of mathematics. It is a material set theory. This means that for every two objects/sets $a,b$ one can ask ...
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Intuition for branch uniqueness in inner model theory

In inner model theory, what is the intuition behind the expectation that under appropriate conditions, we should have a single preferred branch to continue an iteration at a limit stage? At the level ...
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Is there any theorem achieving Conway's "Mathematician's Liberation Movement"

John Conway on in the appendix to part zero of ONAG describes a "Mathematician's Liberation Movement". The goal would be to give mathematicians the freedom to create mathematical theories with the ...
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Sharply less regular cardinals in set theory

If $\lambda<\kappa$ are two regular cardinals, then every locally $\lambda$-presentable category is locally $\kappa$-presentable. The analogous statement does not hold for $\lambda$-accessible ...
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What's Reeb's take on naive integers?

Georges Reeb's "claim Q" is the statement that "naive integers don't fill up $\mathbb{N}$". To anyone familiar with model theory this could easily be interpreted as the existence of nonstandard models ...
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the example of ccc but not separable

I am interested in the relation between the property of countable chain condition (ccc) and the property of separable. Could someone recommend some papers or books about this to me? thanks in advance.
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Why can't mathematics be formalised in terms of classes rather than sets? [closed]

I've always been curious about the seeming compulsion to found mathematics upon sets, be it ZF(C) or some other system. Of course, there are other approaches these days like category theory and type ...
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Which branches of mathematics can be done just in terms of morphisms and composition?

Consider the first-order language $L_{\omega\omega}$ of the signature $L:=\{\mathrm{dom}, \mathrm{cod}, \mathrm{comp}\}$, where $\mathrm{dom}$ and $\mathrm{cod}$ are unary function symbols and $\...
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Intuitive descriptions of some large cardinals

I was trying to formulate intuitive descriptions of some large cardinals. Roughly something equivalent to "A manifold is an object which looks like patches of $R^n$ glued together". Not perfectly ...
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