Has the solution of the Poincaré Conjecture helped science to figure out the shape of the universe?

19My impression is that all this "shape of the universe" stuff is mostly media hype. As a rule, you shouldn't believe whatever nonspecialists tell you about a specialized subject. – Qiaochu Yuan Dec 24 '09 at 22:51

12I voted up this question, only because I expect I'll want to crib a good answer at the next party I attend, when someone asks me what I do. – Theo JohnsonFreyd Dec 24 '09 at 23:05

3At first sight, this looks like a question that is not suited for MO, but in light of the great answers below, I guess not. – Kevin H. Lin Dec 25 '09 at 20:15

There is this guestion's positive answer in next research paper. arxiv.org/abs/1303.2673.pdf DivisionAlebra/PoncareConjecturecorrespondence – Takahiro Waki Sep 30 '15 at 16:20

Related. physics.stackexchange.com/questions/1787/… – Takahiro Waki Mar 31 '17 at 15:13
In Einstein's theory of General Relativity, the universe is a 4manifold that might well be fibered by 3dimensional time slices. If a particular spacetime that doesn't have such a fibration, then it is difficult to construct a causal model of the laws of physics within it. (Even if you don't see an a priori argument for causality, without it, it is difficult to construct enough solutions to make meaningful predictions.) There isn't usually a geometrically distinguished fibration, but if you have enough symmetry or even local symmetry, the symmetry can select one. An approximate symmetry can also be enough for an approximately canonical fibration. Once you have all of that, the topology of spacelike slices of the universe is not at all a naive or risible question, at least not until you see more physics that might demote the question. The narrower question of whether the Poincaré Conjecture is relevant is more wishful and you could call it naive, but let's take the question of relating 3manifold topology in general to cosmology.
The cosmic microwave background, discovered in the 1964 by Penzias and Wilson, shows that the universe is very nearly isotropic at our location. (The deviation is of order $10^{5}$ and it was only announced in 1992 after 2 years of data from the COBE telescope.) If you accept the Copernican principle that Earth isn't at a special point in space, it means that there is an approximately canonical fibration by time slices, and that the universe, at least approximately and locally, has one of the three isotropic Thurston geometries, $E^3$, $S^3$, or $H^3$. The PenziasWilson result makes it a really good question to ask whether the universe is a 3manifold with some isotropic geometry and some fundamental group. I have heard of the early discussion of this question was so naive that some astronomers only talked about a 3torus. They figured that if there were other choices from topology, they could think about them later. Notice that already, the Poincaré conjecture would have been more relevant to cosmology if it had been false!
The topologist who has done the most work on the question is Jeff Weeks. He coauthored a respected paper in cosmology and wrote an interesting article in the AMS Notices that promoted the Poincaré dodecahedral space as a possible topology for the universe. But after he wrote that article...
There indeed is other physics that does demote the 3manifold question, and that is inflationary cosmology. The inflation theory posits that the truthful quantum field theory has a vaguely stable highenergy phase, which has such high energy density that the solution to the GR equations looks completely different. In the inflationary solution, hot regions of the universe expand by a factor of $e$ in something like $10^{36}$ seconds. The different variations of the model posit anywhere from 60 to thousands of factors of $e$, or "$e$folds". Patches of the hot universe also cool down, including the one that we live in. In fact every spot is constantly cooling down, but cooling is still overwhelmed by expansion. Instead of tacitly accepting certain observed features of the visible universe, for instance that it is approximately isotropic, inflation explains them. It also predicts that the visible universe is approximately flat and nonrepeating, because macroscopic curvature and topology have been stretched into oblivion, and that observable anisotropies are stretch marks from the expansion. The stretch marks would have certain characteristic statistics in order to fit inflation. On the other hand, in the inflationary hot soup that we would never see directly, the rationale for canonical time slices is gone, and the universe would be some 4manifold or even some fractal or quantum generalization of a 4manifold.
The number of $e$folds is not known and even the inflaton field (the sector of quantum field theory that governed inflation) is not known, but most or all models of inflation predict the same basic features. And the news from the successor to COBE, called WMAP, is that the visible universe is flat to 2% or so, and the anistropy statistically matches stretch marks. There is not enough to distinguish most of the models of inflation. There is not enough to establish inflation in the same sense that the germ theory of disease or the the heliocentric theory are established. What is true is that inflation has made experimental predictions that have been confirmed.
After all that news, the old idea that the universe is a visibly periodic 3manifold is considered a long shot. WMAP didn't see any obvious periodicity, even though Weeks et al were optimistic based on its first year of data. But I was told by a cosmologist that periodicity should still be taken seriously as an alternative cosmological model, if possibly as a devil's advocate. A theory is incomplete science if it is both hard to prove, and if every alternative is laughed out of the room. In arguing for inflation, cosmologists would also like to have something to argue against. In the opinion of the cosmologist that I talked to some years ago, the model of a 3manifold with a fundamental group, developed by Weeks et al, is as good at that as any proposal.
José makes the important point that, in testing whether the universe has a visible fundamental group, you wouldn't necessarily look for direct periodicity represented by noncontractible geodesics. Instead, you could use harmonic analysis, using a suitable available Laplace operator, and this is what used by Luminet, Weeks, Riazuelo, Lehoucq and Uzan. I also that I have not heard of any direct use of homotopy of paths in astronomy, but actually the direct geometry of geodesics does sometimes play an important role. For instance, look closely at this photograph of galaxy cluster Abell 1689. You can see that there is a strong gravitational lens just left of the center, between the telescope and the dimmer, slivered galaxies. Maybe no analysis of the cosmic microwave background would be geometryonly, but geometry would modify the apparent texture of the background, and I think that that is part of the argument from the data that the visible universe is approximately flat. Who is to say whether a hypothetical periodicity would be seen with geodesics, harmonic expansion, or in some other way.
Part of Gromov's point seems fair. I think it is true that you can always expand the scale of proposed periodicity to say that you haven't yet seen it, or that the data only just starts to show it. Before they saw anisotropy with COBE, that kept getting pushed back too. The deeper problem is that the 3manifold topology of the universe does not address as many issues in cosmology, either theoretical or experimental, as inflation theory does.

2Just to be clear, it is not the original question that I find risible but rather DARPA's challenge. It reminds me of an episode of NUMBERS where the premise was that a mathematician who had claimed to solve the Riemann Hypothesis was being extorted by criminals who wanted to exploit fast factorization algorithms. What can you do as an engineer with the Geometrization Theorem that you couldn't do with the Geometrization Conjecture? – Pete L. Clark Dec 25 '09 at 7:49

I don't want to knock DARPA too much for trying to do good, but I have to agree that their list is a strange imitation of Hilbert's list of 23 problems. For one thing, the list asks for the cosmological implications of the smooth Poincare conjecture in four dimensions, not the Poincare conjecture solved by Perelman. math.utk.edu/~vasili/refs/darpa07.MathChallenges.html – Greg Kuperberg Dec 25 '09 at 8:24

Also, Pete, the question you quoted could be a reference to something legitimate: Quantum link invariants at a root of unity such as the Jones polynomial seem to be a valid model for the quantum state of certain 2dimensional condensed matter systems. Still, the question as stated is a grandiose variation that does not even mention quantum invariants. – Greg Kuperberg Dec 25 '09 at 8:32

2@Greg  Now you remind me of my AP English teacher, Dr. Phillips. He was also brilliant, widely learned (once in class he digressed to talk about Russell and Whitehead's Principia Mathematica) and so creative that, if you didn't have anything better to say, it was sometimes a reasonable strategy to write an essay suggesting connections between things when you yourself could not see them: he could, and would, often fill in the details to make your thesis look reasonable and sound. But of course it doesn't mean that you knew what you were talking about, only that he really did. – Pete L. Clark Dec 25 '09 at 23:53

That is a very flattering compliment! I am not sure how much I deserve it, but thank you. Certainly in the case of condensed matter physics, my answer is not so creative. I have been working in quantum computation, and in that area everyone knows about the connection between anyons and quantum link invariants. See for instance arxiv.org/abs/0704.2241 . Benjamin Mann at DARPA might well have heard about this work, or possibly not. – Greg Kuperberg Dec 26 '09 at 2:50
No, I believe it has not and that it is hard to see how it could be directly useful.
Just for starters, it is not clear whether the universe is simply connected. It is not even clear that this is a meaningful question. In this regard I cannot resist quoting a passage from Steven Krantz' Mathematical Apocrypha Redux:
Mikhael Gromov tells of attending lectures about cosmology by two topologists  really great topologists  concerning the possible shape of the Universe. Gromov asked the first of these whether the Universe was simply connected. The man replied, "It is clear that the Universe cannot be but simply connected, for nonsimple connectedness would imply some highscale periodicity, which is ridiculous." The other topologist gave a talk entitled "Is the Universe simply connected?" which seemed to be related to the question. When informed of the first speaker's statement, he said, "Who cares, it's still a meaningful question, like it or not." In discussing these divergent opinions, Gromov offers his own: "Take a loop in the Universe, a reasonably short loop compared to the size of the Universe, say of no more than $10^{10}$ to $10^{12}$ light years long and ask if it is contractible. And, to be realistic, we pick a certain time, for example $10^{30}$ years, and ask if it is contractible within this time. So you are allowed to move the loop around, say at the speed of light, and try to determine whether or not it can be contracted within this time. The point is, even imagining our space to be some topological 3sphere S^{3}, we can organize an innocuous enough metric on S^{3} so that it takes more than $10^{30}$ years to contract certain loops in this sphere and in the course of contraction we need to stretch the loop to something like $10^{30}$ light years in size. So, if $10^{30}$ years is all the time you have, you conclude that the loop is not contractible and whether or not $\pi_1(S^3) = 0$ becomes a matter of opinion."
On the other hand, the issue of applicability of Poincare (and geometrization) to the real world has been raised by others. The government agency DARPA listed the following as one of its 23 Challenges for the Future:
What are the Physical Consequences of Perelman's Proof of Thurston's Geometrization Theorem? Can profound theoretical advances in understanding three dimensions be applied to construct and manipulate structures across scales to fabricate novel materials?
To me DARPA's question seems naive bordering on risible, but others may feel differently, especially if they receive funding.

4You're not the only one to have that reaction to the DARPA challenges. There was a thread about them at the nCategory Cafe, where the majority feeling was that they were a disgrace: golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2007/12/… – Tom Leinster Dec 25 '09 at 13:54
With all due respect to Mikhail Gromov, Physics is not about homotoping loops in the spatial universe! That would certainly be risible. In Physics, the fundamental group reflects itself in the spectrum of the laplacian: $S^3$ and $S^3/\Gamma$, say, have different harmonics and this is something that can be infered from measurements, even if perhaps not measured directly.
According to current cosmological models, the early universe was a hot plasma which light could not escape: basically photons had a very small mean free path because there is so much activity in the plasma that they find something to scatter against before long. It is only after the universe starts cooling that at some point the photons can escape. This happens over a period of time, but cosmologically speaking we can assume it happens instantaneously. The cosmic microwave background we measure today are the photons which were released at that time. They have of course cooled down considerably since then. They contain information about the "surface of last scatter" and what experiments such as COBE, WMAP, Planck,... are essentially doing is taking pictures of the surface of last scatter with increasing resolution. The colours in the pretty pictures you see coming from COBE and WMAP correspond to temperature fluctuations which can be mapped to density fluctuations in the early universe via something called the SachsWolfe effect. In a nutshell, this effect relates the harmonic expansion of the density fluctuations in the early spatial universe and the harmonic expansion of the temperature as a function on the celestial sphere. The latter can be measured directly, and the former can be inferred. So in principle it is possible to relate the topology of the spatial universe to empirical data.
In fact the work of Luminet, Weeks, Riazuelo, Lehoucq and Uzan that Greg Kuperberg links to in his answer was based on the analysis of the firstyear data from WMAP. The power spectrum of the data revealed that the lowest lying modes were severely attenuated and this suggested that the spatial universe was missing the lowest lying harmonics: recall that the harmonics in $X/\Gamma$ are the $\Gamma$invariant harmonics on $X$. Of the possible models, it was $S^3/E_8$ which fit the (very scant!) data best. This model has now been deprecated because it predicts the existence of "circles in the sky": sectors of circles in two different locations of the celestial sphere with the same temperature fluctuations. There are computer algorithms that search for those circles in the sky but as far as I know none were ever found.
This story suggests the question: Can one hear the shape of the universe?, paraphrasing Mark Kac's famous question about the shape of a drum. In the case of Kac's question we know the answer to be negative: Milnor found that there are nonisometric isospectral 16dimensional tori, coincidentally the two tori which define the two heterotic string theories, and more recently also nonisometric planar domains with piecewise linear boundaries have been constructed which are isospectral. However for threedimensional space forms the answer to the question is positive, and this is gives hope that cosmological data might determine the shape of universe.
Whether the Poincaré conjecture has any bearing on this story is not clear to me, but what is undeniable is that the nature of the topology and the geometry of the spatial universe is physically relevant. It bears upon such "big" questions as whether the universe is finite or infinite and indeed as to what its ultimate fate might be, whether or not Gromov or indeed any of us, will be there to witness it.

2Again, I think my use of "risible" was not interpreted as I had intended; I edited my post in an attempt at clarification. To me, Gromov's remark (as reported by Krantz; the title of his book contains, after all, the word apocrypha) emphasizes that a lot of assumptions have to be made in order for the question of simply connectedness of the universe to make good sense. (For instance, why is it reasonable to assume that the universe, as a Riemannian manifold, is a space form?) I don't wish to deny that there is deep and interesting mathematics and physics here. – Pete L. Clark Dec 25 '09 at 7:58

2That the large scale structure of the spatial universe looks like a space form follows from two properties: isotropy and homogeneity. Isotropy is something that can be empirically tested. Penzias and Wilson measured the cosmic microwave background and noticed that it is isotropic to a large degree. I think that temperature fluctuations (divided by temperature) are of the order of $10^{4}$ or thereabouts. Homogeneity, on the other hand, is an assumption: usually paraphrased as the principle of mediocrity. As usual, at the end it's always Occam's razor. – José FigueroaO'Farrill Dec 25 '09 at 8:44

1I had a thought which Ian Agol's answer confirmed: if you're already assuming that your manifold is a spaceform, what do you need the Poincare Conjecture for? Thus I think again that the answer to the poster's precise question has got to be "no". – Pete L. Clark Dec 27 '09 at 0:19

The answer might indeed well be "no". My point is simply that the topology of the universe is not "a matter of opinion", since it can be tested empirically. – José FigueroaO'Farrill Dec 27 '09 at 0:52
The short answer is no. The fact is that experimental cosmologists use a very crude global model for the universe, the FLRW universe. The 3dimensional cross sections of this model are constant curvature 3manifolds, and therefore already satisfy the Geometrization Theorem. So in some sense cosmologists have already been taking the Poincare conjecture as a working hypothesis all along.

Where exactly is it that FLRW uses the geometrisation conjecture? CMB + mediocrity gives you that you are on a space form. That the model is crude is not in question: but it gets the right large scale structure and you can try to model the small anisotropies by perturbations. This is hardly controversial. – José FigueroaO'Farrill Dec 27 '09 at 0:55
No, as far as anyone can tell.
On the other hand, lots of people think about what the universe would be like if it were in fact the Poincaré dodecahedral space (the counterexample to the original Poincaré conjecture!).
See for example Dodecahedral space topology as an explanation for weak wideangle temperature correlations in the cosmic microwave background in Nature, and The residual gravity acceleration effect in the Poincaré dodecahedral space available on the arxiv.
Further The optimal phase of the generalised Poincare dodecahedral space hypothesis implied by the spatial crosscorrelation function of the WMAP sky maps claims to find some statistical evidence that this might even be true, by looking at correlations in the cosmic microwave background.
To me, one needs to look for an answer from the other end: Big Bang. If the Universe was born from a single 1connected point and all the following expansion has no singularities, i.e. can be considered as homeomorphic transformation, then the Universe has no reason to become nconnected. Some confirmation of this is covered in the article ARXIV:1306.0533 by Maldacena and Susskind. PS. So, one has to know connectivity of the "seed" of the Universe only, because generally, physicists have good reason to "believe" that all physical processes are homeomorphic transformations. /humble physicist/

The MaldacenaSusskind paper appears to have nothing to do with what you're saying. It's about a cosmology containing an EinsteinRosen bridge. It's also about quantum gravity, not classical gravity. – Ben Crowell Jan 15 '17 at 17:08

If the Universe was born from a single 1connected point and all the following expansion has no singularities, i.e. can be considered as homeomorphic transformation, then the Universe has no reason to become nconnected. Singularities in GR do not have a welldefined geometry, topology, or dimensionality, and they are not pointsets, so it doesn't make sense to talk about the big bang as "a single 1connected point." Your description of the conditions for the topology to remain unchanged also doesn't sound right to me. See arxiv.org/abs/grqc/9406053 . – Ben Crowell Jan 15 '17 at 17:12

I belong to high energy physics and, therefore, you can consider me as a vulgar mathematician. However, want to ask two questions: did we have 1) quantum mechanics and 2) black holes at the state of T=0 (BigBang) ? – Nikolai Zaitsev Jan 15 '17 at 21:34


I did not assume that. However, intuitively I see that homeomorphic transformation should preserve all conservation laws  energy, momentum, space, rotation etc. – Nikolai Zaitsev Nov 26 '17 at 22:14