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We have the idea of a prime ideal in a commutative ring $R$ but in universal algebra, we generalize the notion of ideal to that of a congruence. I’ve thought over the question of what a prime congruence would look like and all I could say is that maximal (proper) congruences should be prime and the trivial congruence shouldn’t be. Given the importance of prime ideals, I’d imagine someone’s put thought into how this would generalize though I haven’t been able to find anything.

I ask this question because I’m thinking about that the spectrum of a (commutative?) algebraic structure would look like in general. Any pointers would be helpful.

(Should I put the AG tag here?)

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  • $\begingroup$ I have no idea what it should be (a "prime" normal subgroup) in the case of groups. $\endgroup$
    – YCor
    Commented Nov 13 at 17:56
  • $\begingroup$ I’m considering defining them as congruences theta for which $V(\theta)$ is irreducible in the Zariski topology. $\endgroup$
    – Lave Cave
    Commented Nov 13 at 19:36

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What's a prime congruence?

The lattice of ideals of a commutative ring has three well-studied operations:

  1. Sum: $I+J$
  2. Intersection: $I\cap J$
  3. Product: $I\cdot J$.

Primeness is defined with the third operation: $P$ is prime if $I\cdot J\subseteq P$ implies $I\subseteq P$ or $J\subseteq P$.

For general algebraic structures, we have three corresponding operations on congruences:

  1. Join: $\alpha\vee \beta$
  2. Meet or Intersection: $\alpha\wedge \beta = \alpha\cap \beta$
  3. Commutator: $[\alpha,\beta]$.

General primeness is defined in terms of the commutator operation: congruence $\pi$ is prime if $[\alpha,\beta]\subseteq \pi$ implies $\alpha\subseteq \pi$ or $\beta\subseteq \pi$.

You can find this definition (for congruence modular varieties) on page 64 of

Freese, Ralph; McKenzie, Ralph,
Commutator theory for congruence modular varieties.
London Mathematical Society Lecture Note Series, 125. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 1987.

Remark: for noncommutative rings, $[I,J] = IJ+JI$. For groups or Lie algebras, $[I,J]$ is the usual commutator of normal subgroups or Lie ideals.

Since you are thinking about the spectrum, let me point you to a couple of papers:

Agliano, Paolo,
The prime spectrum of a universal algebra.
Riv. Mat. Pura Appl. No. 5 (1989), 97-105.

Georgescu, George; Mureşan, Claudia,
Going up and lying over in congruence-modular algebras.
Math. Slovaca 69 (2019), no. 2, 275-296.

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  • $\begingroup$ Does primeness defined in terms of the commutator agree with the notion of primeness from The shape of congruence lattices? (Maybe this is obvious, my coffee hasn't kicked in yet.) $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 13 at 18:28
  • $\begingroup$ @NoahSchweber: Yes, the concepts agree in the context where the black triangle is defined, namely for varieties with a weak difference term. In that monograph, the black triangle relation is more important than the notion of primeness. We use black triangle for the main arguments of that chapter, but then note in an appendix to Chapter 6 that black triangle has a connection to the more familiar concept of primeness. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 13 at 18:36
  • $\begingroup$ Somewhat relatedly, do you think I should delete my answer? In light of yours I worry that mine is misleading. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 13 at 19:51
  • $\begingroup$ @NoahSchweber: I see no reason for you to delete your answer. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 13 at 21:13
  • $\begingroup$ Is there a notion of product of congruences in general? I’d imagine the way to eliminate $+$ is to replace it with $\vee$ but what about the product? $\endgroup$
    – Lave Cave
    Commented Nov 15 at 20:45
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Primeness is not a statement purely in terms of congruences; the naive translation also gives special treatment to the binary operation $\cdot$ and the nullary operation $0$. Given an algebra $\mathfrak{A}$, a binary term $*$, and a nullary term $c$ in the relevant language, we can define a $(*,c)$-prime congruence on $\mathfrak{A}$ as one satisfying $a*b\approx c$ (or maybe "$a*b\approx c*c$" is more natural?) iff $a\approx c$ or $b\approx c$; however, it's not clear how to find the "right" $*$ and $c$ in a given algebra. Moreover, and more importantly I think, there's no particular reason to expect this notion to be important in general algebras.

That said, there is at least one notion of "prime congruence" in the literature. In the book Kearnes/Kiss, The shape of congruence lattices, the authors introduce the following notion: a congruence $\theta$ on an algebra ${\bf A}$ is prime iff $\theta$ is meet-irreducible in $\mathrm{Con}({\bf A})$ and additionally $\theta\blacktriangleleft 1$. This latter condition is a bit of a definition chase, and the relevant pages are 27/28, 126, and 147. This notion does generalize that of prime ideals from ring theory (in the sense that in a commutative unital ring $R$, an ideal $I$ is prime iff the corresponding congruence $\approx_I$ is Kearnes/Kiss-prime). However, I think the technical detail needed to make sense of the definition indicates just how special the setting of rings is; I suspect that we should not in general expect KK-primeness to have a simple description in general (even natural) classes of algebras rather than rings.

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