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One may argue that $\mathbb{S}$ is more correct than $\mathbb{Z}$. Can anyone make it more explicitly? For example, what information will be lost if we work in $\mathbb{Z}$ instead of $\mathbb{S}$

Chromatic homotopy theory may give a partial answer. I know that by chromatic homotopy theory, the sphere spectrum has more information than integer which is known as $v_n$ self map. It turns out that sphere spectrum has infinity Krull dimension. But I am a beginner of chromatic homotopy theory so I cannot tell the whole and true story. Any explanation of the advantages of $\mathbb{S}$ by chromatic homotopy theory will be appreicated.

BTW, There is a joke on the internet, shown in the picture.enter image description here

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    $\begingroup$ What is your precise question ? Make what more explicit ? $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 4, 2022 at 10:17
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    $\begingroup$ A joke? On the Internet? I'm not sure I believe that. $\endgroup$
    – LSpice
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    $\begingroup$ Integers only have primes $p$. The sphere spectrum has primes "$p$", "really $p$", "really really $p$", "really really really $p$", ..., and "$p$ by any means". $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 4, 2022 at 14:07
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    $\begingroup$ @მამუკაჯიბლაძე Can you explain (or point to an explanation of) what this thing about being “$p$”, “really $p$”, etc. means, to someone who just knows the definition of a spectrum? $\endgroup$
    – Gro-Tsen
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    $\begingroup$ The comic says "natural numbers" ($\mathbb{N}$) and not "integers" ($\mathbb{Z}$) $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 5, 2022 at 21:01

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For this to work, it is best to identify connective spectrum with spaces equipped with a group-like $E_\infty$-algebra structure (these are equivalent).

From this point of view:

  • $\mathbb{Z}$ is the free abelian group on one generator.

  • The sphere spectrum $\mathbb{S}$ is the free group-like $E_{\infty}$-space on one generator.

Similarly:

  • $\mathbb{Z}$ is the initial ring, so the initial 0-truncated (connective) ring spectrum.

  • $\mathbb{S}$ is the initial (connective) ring spectrum.

So, if you (like many people working in homotopy theory and/or higher category theory and/or homotopy type theory) think that spaces are the real fundamental objects and sets are just the reflective subcategories of 0-truncated space, then the role usually played by $\mathbb{Z}$ in traditional set-based mathematics is now played by $\mathbb{S}$, and $\mathbb{Z}$ only appear as the $0$-truncation of $\mathbb{S}$.

For example, some people have argued that one way to do algebra and geometry "below Spec $\mathbb{Z}$" (in the spirit of "the field with one element") was to do algebra and geometry over the sphere spectrum (see here or here for an example of this - but this is a fairly common idea)

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    $\begingroup$ What do you mean by group-like? Just that the additive structure has (homotopy) subtraction or something more than that? $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 4, 2022 at 14:20
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    $\begingroup$ For $E_\infty$-algebra group-like mean "every element has an inverse", but it is enough to ask that the $\pi_0$ is a group, no higher coherence condition are needed thanks to the uniqueness of inverse (or rather all the higher conditions you may want to ask - like the existence of a map giving the inverse of an element, the existence of map specifying the homotopy $x^{-1} x = 1$, etc... will automatically be present for bifibrant objects). $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 4, 2022 at 14:28
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    $\begingroup$ I really want to answer: the stable homotopy groups of sphere, but that would really fail to do justice to what is really going on. Doing arithmetic or algebraic geometry over $\mathbb{S}$ is really much much more rich and complicated than over $\mathbb{Z}$ (which is already very rich and complicated), so much so that most of it isn't fully understood yet. So, a lot is lost in many different directions, and people can probably give you a lot of examples, but probably not a general picture. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 4, 2022 at 20:29
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    $\begingroup$ In the early days of Waldhausen's work on algebraic $K$-theory, this idea was already present. In that context, the spectrum $A(X)$ for a based space $X\sim BG$ can be regarded as the $K$-theory spectrum of the group ring $S[G]$. This is much better than the $K$-theory of $\mathbb Z[\pi_0(G)]$, in that it "knows more" about geometric questions regarding $X$. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 4, 2022 at 20:35
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    $\begingroup$ This and other things (one example, related to $K$-theory, is Topological Hochschild Homology) led to the idea that "doing algebra" with $S$ rather than $\mathbb Z$ as the universal or ground ring was worthwhile. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 4, 2022 at 20:38
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An elementary answer to the first part of your question: Finite sets are more fundamental than their cardinalities.

Consider the category of finite sets and bijective functions. Its geometric realization (= nerve, or classifying space) has the homotopy type of $\coprod_{n\ge0} B\Sigma_n$. Forgetting the choices of bijective functions, and only remembering their existence, gives a map to the set $\mathbb{N}_0 = \{n \ge 0\}$ of non-negative integers. This way the symmetries of a finite set are disregarded: you can either fix or transpose the two elements in $\{a, b\}$, whereas the number $2$ does not intrinsically come with such structure.

Soon you want to add and multiply finite sets, using disjoint union and cartesian product, and these operations on $\coprod_{n\ge0} B\Sigma_n$ induce the usual sum and product in $\mathbb{N}_0$. We now have a map of semirings.

Shortly thereafter you want to solve equations, and need to subtract. For this, you need to ring complete the addition in $\coprod_{n\ge0} B\Sigma_n$, while preserving the multiplication (see Remark A), and the resulting ring space has the homotopy type of $\text{colim}_k \, \Omega^k S^k = \Omega^\infty \mathbb{S}$, with the ring space structure coming from the ring spectrum $\mathbb{S}$, the sphere spectrum. This now maps to the ring completion of $\mathbb{N}_0$, namely the integers $\mathbb{Z}$.

The first thing that is lost under $\mathbb{S} \to \mathbb{Z}$ is the image of the transposition of $a$ and $b$, i.e., the Mobius strip/line bundle over the circle, which corresponds to the loop in $\Omega^2 S^2$ given by the Hopf fibration $\eta \colon S^3 \to S^2$.

Remark A: One way to resolve the caveat raised in

Thomason, R. W.
Beware the phony multiplication on Quillen's A−1A.
Proc. Amer. Math. Soc. 80 (1980), no. 4, 569–573. 

is given in

Baas, Nils A.; Dundas, Bjørn Ian; Richter, Birgit; Rognes, John
Ring completion of rig categories.
J. Reine Angew. Math. 674 (2013), 43–80. 
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