I've copied over this question from what I asked on StackExchange, in the hope that an expert here can readily answer the question.

Is there an example of a group $G=K\rtimes \mathbb{Z}$ satisfying the following three conditions?

  • $G$ is finitely generated;
  • $K$ is not finitely generated;
  • the fixed points of $\phi(1)$, which is the automorphism on $K$ corresponding to $1_\mathbb{Z}$, are not a finitely generated group.

I suspect there is an example, but I don't have enough experience with infinite groups to come up with one right away.


One idea, which may or may not work:

finding matrices $M_1,\ldots,M_k\in\text{GL}_n(\mathbb{C})$ and $g\in\text{GL}_n(\mathbb{C})$

such that $S=\langle g^{-n}\,M_j\,g^n\rangle_{1\leq j\leq k,\;n\in\mathbb{Z}} $ is not finitely generated

but such that $g$ commutes with surprisingly many matrices in $S$.

  • $\begingroup$ If you use the trivial action, so you're looking at the direct product, then the fixed points are all of $K$, hence non-finitely generated. But probably you want the action to be sufficiently "robust" in some sense? $\endgroup$ Mar 26 at 10:15
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    $\begingroup$ @MattZaremsky If you use the trivial action i.e. the direct product, "$K$ is not finitely generated" implies "$K\oplus\mathbb{Z}$ is not finitely generated" $\endgroup$ Mar 26 at 10:21
  • $\begingroup$ Oh, ha, right. Not paying attention. $\endgroup$ Mar 26 at 10:34

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No. Fix $p\ge 2$. Take the group $$G=\{M(x,y,z;n):(x,y,z)\in\mathbf{Z}[1/p],n\in\mathbf{Z}\}$$where $$M(x,y,z;n)=\begin{pmatrix}1 & x & z \\ 0 & p^n & y\\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}$$

and $K$ the set of such $M(x,y,z;n)$ for $n=0$, and identify $\mathbf{Z}$ to powers of $M(0,0,0,1)$.

Then $G$ is finitely generated (namely by $\{M(0,0,0;1),M(1,0,0;0),M(0,1,0;0)\}$), $K$ is not finitely generated, and indeed the centralizer of $M(0,0,0;1)$ in $K$ is not finitely generated (isomorphic to the abelian group $\mathbf{Z}[1/p]$).

  • $\begingroup$ Merci! I did suspect that an example would come from matrices... $\endgroup$ Mar 26 at 11:11

Here is another example, which I am fond of, because it played a role in a PhD thesis of a student that I supervised a long time ago.

It is constructed as a central extension of $C_p \wr {\mathbb Z}$ for a prime $p$.

The subgroup $K$ is generated by elements $x_i,y_k$ with $i,k \in {\mathbb Z}$ and $k > 0$, and it has defining relations \begin{eqnarray*} x_i^p &=& y_j^p= 1\ \mbox{for all}\ i,j,\\ [x_j,x_i] &=& y_{j-i}\ \mbox{for}\ j>i,\\ [y_k,x_i] &=& 1\ \mbox{for all}\ i,k, \end{eqnarray*} so it is nilpotent of class $2$ with $K$ and $K/Z(K)$ both infinite elementary abelian, where $Z(K)$ is generated by the elements $y_k$.

Now we define the action of $({\mathbb Z},+)$ on $K$ to make the element $1 \in {\mathbb Z}$ map $x_i$ to $x_{i+1}$ for all $i \in {\mathbb Z}$. So the induced action on $Z(K)$ is trivial.

Now let $G$ be the semidirect product $K \rtimes {\mathbb Z}$. Then $G$ is generated by $x_0$ and $1 \in {\mathbb Z}$, but $K$ and $Z(G) = Z(K)$ are not finitely generated.


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