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Assume that $f_0,f_1,f_2$ are polynomial functions of degree two in two variables. This means that the $f_i$ are linear combinations with real coefficients of $x^2,xy,x,y^2,y,1$.

Consider the function $f = f_1^2-af_0f_2:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ where $a\in \mathbb{R}_{>0}$. Is it true that for a "random" choice (whit a suitable definition of random) of the $f_i$ there exists $(x_0,y_0)\in\mathbb{R}^2$ such that $f(x_0,y_0) \geq 0$.

Clearly, this does not hold for any choice of the $f_i$. Take for instance $f_1\equiv 0$, $f_0 = x^2+1$, $f_2 = y^2+1$. Then $f(x,y) = -a(x^2y^2+x^2+y^2+1) < 0 $ for all $(x,y)\in\mathbb{R}^2$.

Write $$f_0 = a_1 x^2 + a_2xy+ a_3 x+ a_4 y^2+ a_5 y+ a_6;$$ $$f_1 = b_1 x^2 + b_2xy+ b_3 x+ b_4 y^2+ b_5 y+ b_6;$$ $$f_2 = c_1 x^2 + c_2xy+ c_3 x+ c_4 y^2+ c_5 y+ c_6;$$ Then $f$ corresponds to the point $(a_1,\dots,c_6)\in\mathbb{R}^{18}$.

Taking $$f_0 = \epsilon_0(x^2 + y^2 + 1);$$ $$f_1 = \epsilon_1(x^2 + y^2 + 1);$$ $$f_2 = \epsilon_2(x^2 + y^2 + 1);$$ we have $f = (\epsilon_0^2-a\epsilon_1\epsilon_2)(x^2 + y^2 + 1)$ which is always negative when $\epsilon_0^2-a\epsilon_1\epsilon_2 < 0$.

But the point $(f_0,f_1,f_2)$ lies inside the linear subspace $a_2 = a_3 = a_5 = b_2 = b_3 = b_5 = c_2 = c_3 = c_5 = 0$.

Thank you very much.

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  • $\begingroup$ It is unclear what you mean by 'for a "random" choice': Do you mean with probability $1$ or with a nonzero probability? Also, it is unclear what you mean by "a suitable definition of random": what would be suitable for you and what would be not -- that should be clearly specified, using appropriate quantifiers. As your own example suggests, some definitions of random would be unsuitable to you. On MathOverflow, you should be specific enough so that it be quite clear what constitutes an answer to your question and what does not. $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 3, 2022 at 13:23
  • $\begingroup$ "Random" would be the following: each $f_i$ depends on $6$ real parameters, so we can see the triple $(f_0,f_1,f_2)$ as a point in $\mathbb{R}^{18}$. There is a subset of the form $S = \{G_1 = \dots = G_r = 0\}\subset\mathbb{R}^{18}$, where the $G_i$ are functions of the coefficients of the $f_i$, such that for all $(f_0,f_1,f_2) \in\mathbb{R}^{18}\setminus S$ we have that $f(x_0,y_0)\geq 0$ for some $(x_0,y_0)\in\mathbb{R}^2$. I guess that from the probabilistic point of view this implies that the property I am requiring holds with probability $1$. $\endgroup$
    – Puzzled
    Commented Mar 3, 2022 at 13:59
  • $\begingroup$ Well, then clearly without loss of generality $r=1$. Also, are the $G_i$'s to be (piecewise-)smooth? If so, the answer is no: Take e.g. $a>1$ and $f_0,f_1,f_2$ each close enough to $x^2+y^2+1$. $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 3, 2022 at 14:15
  • $\begingroup$ I addressed your example in the new version of the question. I think the $G_i$ could be simply polynomials. For instance the $f_0,f_1,f_2$ in your example are all inside the zero locus of $9$ linear polynomials. $\endgroup$
    – Puzzled
    Commented Mar 3, 2022 at 19:52
  • $\begingroup$ This does not address what I proposed. I said "close enough". not "proportional to". That is, what I proposed is $f_i=a_{i,0}+a_{i,1}x+a_{i,2}y+a_{i,3}xy+a_{i,4}x^2+a_{i,5}y^2$ for $i=0,1,2$, with $(a_{i,0},a_{i,1},a_{i,2},a_{i,3},a_{i,4},a_{i,5})$ close to $(1,0,0,0,1,1)$ for each $i=0,1,2$. The set of such triples $(f_0,f_1,f_2)$ contains a nonempty $18$-dimensional open ball. $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 3, 2022 at 21:04

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$\newcommand\R{\mathbb R}\newcommand\c{\mathsf c}\newcommand\ep{\varepsilon}$The answer is no. Indeed, after clarifications given by the OP in comments and in the original post, the question can be stated as follows:

For $i=0,1,2$, let $$f_i(x,y)=a_{i,0}+a_{i,1}x+a_{i,2}y+a_{i,3}xy+a_{i,4}x^2+a_{i,5}y^2,$$ where the $a_{i,j}$ are real numbers. For a real $a>0$, let $M_a$ be the set of all matrices $(a_{i,j}\colon i=0,1,2,\,j=0,\dots,5)\in\R^{3\times6}$ such that $f(x,y):=f_1(x,y)^2-af_0(x,y)f_2(x,y)\ge0$ for some $(x,y)\in\R^2$. Is it true that the dimension (in whatever appropriate sense) of the complement $M_a^\c$ of $M_a$ to $\R^{3\times6}$ is strictly less that $18$ (the dimension of $\R^{3\times6}$)?

Let $g(x,y):=1+x^2+y^2$. For real $\ep>0$, let $N_\ep$ denote the set of all matrices $(a_{i,j}\colon i=0,1,2,\,j=0,\dots,5)\in\R^{3\times6}$ such that $|a_{i,j}-b_j|<\ep$ for all $i=0,1,2,\,j=0,\dots,5$, where $(b_0,\dots,b_5)=(1,0,0,0,1,1)$. Then for $i=0,1,2$ and all real $x,y$ we have $$|f_i(x,y)-g(x,y)|<\ep(1+|x|+|y|+|xy|+x^2+y^2) \le2\ep g(x,y),$$ since $|x|\le(1+x^2)/2$, $|y|\le(1+y^2)/2$, and $|xy|\le(x^2+y^2)/2$.

So, taking now any $a\in(1,2)$ and any $\ep\in(0,\frac{\sqrt a-1}{2(\sqrt a+1)})$, we get ($\ep<1/2$ and) for all real $x,y$ $$f_1(x,y)^2-af_0(x,y)f_2(x,y)\le g(x,y)^2[(1+2\ep)^2-a(1-2\ep)^2]<0.$$ So, $N_\ep\subseteq M_a^\c$ and the dimension of $N_\ep$ is $18$. Thus, the dimension of $M_a^\c$ is $18$, not $<18$.

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