This question is inspired by an answer of Tim Porter.

Ronnie Brown pioneered a framework for homotopy theory in which one may consider multiple basepoints. These ideas are accessibly presented in his book Topology and Groupoids. The idea of the fundamental groupoid, put forward as a multi-basepoint alternative to the fundamental group, is the highlight of the theory. The headline result seems to be that the van-Kampen Theorem looks more natural in the groupoid context.
I don't know whether I find this headline result compelling- the extra baggage of groupoids and pushouts makes me question whether the payoff is worth the effort, all the more so because I am a geometric topology person, rather than a homotopy theorist.

Do you have examples in geometric topology (3-manifolds, 4-manifolds, tangles, braids, knots and links...) where the concept of the fundamental groupoid has been useful, in the sense that it has led to new theorems or to substantially simplified treatment of known topics?

One place that I can imagine (but, for lack of evidence, only imagine) that fundamental groupoids might be useful (at least to simplify exposition) is in knot theory, where we're constantly switching between (at least) three different "natural" choices of basepoint- on the knot itself, on the boundary of a tubular neighbourhood, and in the knot complement. This change-of-basepoint adds a nasty bit of technical complexity which I have struggled with when writing papers. A recent proof (Proposition 8 of my paper with Kricker) which would have been a few lines if we hadn't had to worry about basepoints, became 3 pages. In another direction, what about fundamental groupoids of braids?
Have the ideas of fundamental groupoids been explored in geometric topological contexts? Conversely, if not, then why not?

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    $\begingroup$ Natural generalizations of braids seem to be things like tangles and string links, which aren't groupoids but they are categories. In that sense they fit into a natural framework of things like cobordism categories. I suppose I don't see the fundamental groupoid as much of a simplification -- the Seifert-Van Kampen theorem is essentially just as complicated in the groupoid setting, the only thing you get to avoid is putting in all the basepoint arcs after subdivision. This "gain" comes at the cost of using groupoids. How much you value the approach depends on what you need the tool for. $\endgroup$ Oct 3, 2010 at 18:47
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    $\begingroup$ I'm sorry that I don't know much about geometric topology and can't answer the question, but let me point out something that you may already know: multiple basepoints are useful in the presence of symmetries. For example, let's say you have a connected space X with a Z/2 symmetry. Then H_1(X;Z) gets a Z/2-action; shouldn't this come from an action of Z/2 on \pi_1(X) via the isomorphism \pi_1^{ab}=H_1? If X has a fixed point we can base ourselves there and be fine, but otherwise it's nice to simultaneously use two conjugate basepoints to see the Z/2-action on \pi_1. $\endgroup$ Oct 3, 2010 at 21:44
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    $\begingroup$ Ryan, that sounds good -- thanks for the perspective. Here's a link: youtube.com/watch?v=kjX2MKaZ-rg $\endgroup$ Oct 3, 2010 at 22:12
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    $\begingroup$ For some Grothendieckian support for Ronnie see the comment at bangor.ac.uk/~mas010/pstacks.htm which begins "...people are accustomed to work with fundamental groups and generators and relations for these and stick to it, even in contexts when this is wholly inadequate, namely when you get a clear description by generators and relations only when working simultaneously with a whole bunch of base-points chosen with care-or equivalently working in the algebraic context of groupoids, rather than groups." $\endgroup$ Oct 4, 2010 at 8:51
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    $\begingroup$ @Ryan: You comment that "you have a covering space, so study that"; but which one? A universal cover of $X$ is defined by $X$ and a base point $x$. It is in fact the star, or costar, of $\pi_1 X$ at a base point $x$. See my preprint page for a recent talk at Galway which starts with 5 anomalies in algebraic topology, most of which are resolved using groupoids and/or cubes in some way. $\endgroup$ Dec 8, 2014 at 11:06

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Here is an interesting example where groupoids are useful. The mapping class group $\Gamma_{g,n}$ is the group of isotopy classes of orientation preserving diffeomorphisms of a surface of genus $g$ with $n$ distinct marked points (labelled 1 through n). The classifying space $B\Gamma_{g,n}$ is rational homology equivalent to the (coarse) moduli space $\mathcal{M}_{g,n}$ of complex curves of genus $g$ with $n$ marked points (and if you are willing to talk about the moduli orbifold or stack, then it is actually a homotopy equivalence)

The symmetric group $\Sigma_n$ acts on $\mathcal{M}_{g,n}$ by permuting the labels of the marked points.

Question: How do we describe the corresponding action of the symmetric group on the classifying space $B\Gamma_{g,n}$?

It is possible to see $\Sigma_n$ as acting by outer automorphisms on the mapping class group. I suppose that one could probably build an action on the classifying space directly from this, but here is a much nicer way to handle the problem.

The group $\Gamma_{g,n}$ can be identified with the orbifold fundamental group of the moduli space. Let's replace it with a fundamental groupoid. Fix a surface $S$ with $n$ distinguished points, and take the groupoid where objects are labellings of the distinguished points by 1 through n, and morphisms are isotopy classes of diffeomorphisms that respect the labellings (i.e., sending the point labelled $i$ in the first labelling to the point labelled $i$ in the second labelling).

Clearly this groupoid is equivalent to the original mapping class group, so its classifying space is homotopy equivalent. But now we have an honest action of the symmetric group by permuting the labels on the distinguished points of $S$.

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    $\begingroup$ One way to see the action of $\Sigma_n$ on $B\Gamma_{g,n}$ would be to use flashy explicit bar construction models, like Paolo Salvatore's "Configuration spaces with summable labels". $\endgroup$ Oct 3, 2010 at 22:08
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    $\begingroup$ @Ryan - I don't think a configuration space model for the bar construction helps here. The symmetric group should act via its action on the labels, but as I said, in this case it only acts by outer automorphisms. Acting on a group $G$ by outer automorphisms is the same as acting on $BG$ up to homotopy by unbased maps, and the problem is to rectify this action to a strict action on some model for $BG$. $\endgroup$ Oct 4, 2010 at 21:02
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    $\begingroup$ Thanks Jeff. Okay, this is a place where it's not immediately clear how one could do without groupoids. It appears my role as devil's advocate has been punctured. $\endgroup$ Oct 8, 2010 at 16:39
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    $\begingroup$ @Jeff: This is a situation where passing to homotopy classes, as you did in your very first sentence, makes the action less clear. The classifying space $B\text{Diff}^+(\Sigma_{g,n})$ (which is the same as $B\Gamma_{g,n}$) is the space of submanifolds of $\mathbb{R}^\infty$ diffeomorphic to $\Sigma_g$, together with a sequence of $n$ points lying on the submanifold. The action of $S_n$ on the classifying space is just to permute these points; this is a perfectly nice action. $\endgroup$
    – Tom Church
    Oct 14, 2010 at 17:24
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    $\begingroup$ @Tom, good point! Of course 1) this is using the additional fact that the components of the diffeomorphism group are contractible, 2) It is not so easy to make the submanifolds of $\mathbb{R}^\infty$ model compatible with the operad structure $\endgroup$ Oct 18, 2010 at 8:58

The following picture illustrates a not unusual situation of intersections, in which the various components are assumed to have various fundamental groups: nonconn

It helps here to have a theorem which immediately determines the fundamental groupoid of the union on these base points. Then one uses algebra and combinatorics to work out particular fundamental groups, if one wants them.

I came into groupoids by trying to find a new proof of the fundamental group of the circle. It turned out that one could do this using the fundamental groupoid on two base points. An analogous example, with a not so obvious universal cover, is the non Hausdorff space $X$ obtained from $[-1,1]\times \{-1,1\}$ by identifying all $(t, 1)$ with $(t, -1)$, except for $t=0$, as in the following picture:


Writing the 1968 edition of my book now called Topology and Groupoids (T&G) (available on amazon.com and e-version from my web site) convinced me that all of 1-dimensional homotopy theory was better expressed in terms of groupoids rather than groups, in that one obtained more powerful theorems with simpler proofs. Later results on the fundamental groupoid of orbit spaces (Chapter 11 of T&G) are more awkward to express in terms of groups; this elaborates on the point by Dustin Clausen. See further details below.

Henry Whitehead answered the question of "Why not restrict to CW-complexes with just one vertex?" by considering covering spaces. Philip Higgins gave a considerable generalisation of Grusko's theorem by considering covering morphisms of groupoids, see his 1971 book `Categories and groupoids' available as a TAC Reprint, 2005.

In 1966 I thought about prospective uses of groupoids in higher homotopy theory, and this led over many years to higher dimensional Seifert-van Kampen Theorems, with a range of new nonabelian calculations of second relative homotopy groups and triad homotopy groups (for the latter, see the "nonabelian tensor product of groups"). That sounds relevant to geometric topology!

So one answer to the original question is that the use of groupoids opens new worlds of possibilities.

Actually the idea of `change of base point for the fundamental group' is a bit bizarre: one does not describe a railway timetable in terms of return journeys and change of starting point for these! Why is this still taught to students?

In the end, an aesthetic viewpoint implies more power!

Thanks to those above who give me additional examples.

More information on my page From groups to groupoids.

September 2012: I forgot to add to this answer more information on orbit spaces, with particular reference to "two base points".

Ross Geoghegan in his 1986 review (MR0760769) of two papers by M.A. Armstrong on the fundamental groups of orbit spaces wrote: "These two papers show which parts of elementary covering space theory carry over from the free to the nonfree case. This is the kind of basic material that ought to have been in standard textbooks on fundamental groups for the last fifty years." At present, to my knowledge, "Topology and Groupoids" is the only topology text to cover such results.

Consider the action of the cyclic group of order 2, $Z_2$ on the unit circle $S$ by complex conjugation. Take $1$ as base point. The induced action of $Z_2$ on the fundamental group $\pi_1(S,1)$ is $n\mapsto -n$, and the quotient by this action is $Z_2$. But the quotient of $S$ by the action is a semicircle, which is contractible. What has gone wrong?

The problem is there are two fixed points of the action. The quotient of the action of $Z_2$ on the groupoid $\pi_1(S, A)$, where $A$ consists of the points $\pm 1$, is indeed correct.

The point is that a group acting on a space $X$ acts also on the fundamental groupoid $\pi_1 X$. If $X$ is Hausdorff, the action is properly discontinuous, and $X$ has a universal cover, then the fundamental groupoiud of the orbit space $X/G$ is the orbit groupoid of $\pi_1 X$. This is the groupoid expression of Armstrong's results. See Chapter 11 of Topology and Groupoids.

April 21,2013: The book Nonabelian algebraic topology: filtered spaces, crossed complexes, cubical homotopy groupoids gives an account of this new approach to basic algebraic topology at the border between homology and homotopy, without using singular homology theory, or simplicial approximation, but relying on the idea of multiple compositions of cubes. This also allows for results on second relative homotopy groups, results which, being essentially nonabelian, are not obtainable by traditional algebraic topology. It also avoids the "trick" of taking the free abelian group on ordered or oriented simplices in order to define chain groups, and the boundary map.

Note that that whereas group objects internal to groups are abelian groups, group objects internal to groupoids are in some sense "more nonabelian" than groups, as are groupoid objects internal to groupoids. So one looks to such objects to model higher homotopy properties: and this has been achieved.

October 2, 2014: I gave a talk on the "Intuitions for cubical methods in nonabelian algebraic topology" at the IHP, Paris, in June, 2014 to a workshop on "Constructive mathematics and models of type theory", and the handout version of the slides is available here. For me a main advantage of the excursion to groupoids is that it led me into thinking about higher versions, and how to express some key intuitions. The general question was:

"If groupoids are very useful in $1$-dimensional homotopy, can they be useful, or not, in higher homotopy?"

March 11, 2015

I hope the remarks of Grothendieck linked here as basepoints are found interesting.

Aug 4, 2015 A related discussion is at mathstackexchange.

September 15, 2015. have just found this paper:

arXiv:1508.03122 "Dynamics on Wild Character Varieties" Emmanuel Paul, Jean-Pierre Ramis Journal-ref: SIGMA 11 (2015), 068, 21 pages

It is relevant as it uses the fundamental groupoid on a set of base points in the context not of algebraic topology but of dynamical systems and differential equations.

September 19: Another point which comes out from the Paul-Ramis paper is the utility of preserving symmetry information. As another example. consider the following connected union of three spaces, with a set $S$ of chosen base points:


A description of $\pi_1(X,S)$ will preserve the symmetries of the situation, and this description may be needed for further investigations.

July 12. 2017 With regard to Daniel's point about knots, the following picture


gives an intuition of the relation $y=xzx^{-1}$ at a crossing of a knot diagram. It is really a groupoid picture, and would seem to me to be more obscure if one tried to make it a picture about loops. To keep it, you could use two base points per crossing, one for "in" at top left and one for "out" at top right. I leave others to see if this is a helpful idea!

Philip Higgins told me of a dictum of his supervisor Philip Hall: "You should try to find an algebra which models the geometry, and not force the geometry into a particular algebraic mode simply because that mode is more familiar."

More background is in my 2018 Indagationes paper Modelling and Computing Homotopy Types: I.

October, 2019

The ideas of many base points to define fundamental groupoids is also relevant to the history of homotopy theory, which you can confirm from books on the history of topology (Dieudonn'e, James). In 1932 E. Cech gave a seminar to the ICM at Zurich on "Higher homotopy groups". He defined them and also proved they were abelian for $n \geqslant 2$. At that time a general interest among topologists was finding a higher dimensional version of the fundamental group, which of course was in general nonabelian. So the kings of topology of the time, Aleksandrov and Hopf, argued that Cech's definition could not be the "right" one; only a small paragraph appeared in the Proceedings, and Cech did no further work on the topic.

Later, interest came with publication in 1935 of papers by Hurewicz, and the study of homotopy groups became a central part of algebraic topology. We know the abelian nature of these groups as a result of "group objects in groups are abelian groups". The idea of higher dimensional versions of the fundamental group was kind of discarded, though Henry Whitehead did mention in my hearing in 1957 that the early homotopy theorists were fascinated by the action of the fundamental group.

However Aleksandrov and Hopf were surely right! Now we know that "groupoids in the category of groupoids" can be more complicated than groupoids, and so on in higher dimensions. The fascination with the study of homotopy groups, which are defined only for spaces with base point, seems to have been a factor in ignoring the idea of a set of base points. The possible definition of strict higher homotopy groupoids seems to need more structure on a space, and so much work has taken place on the study of non strict higher homotopy groupoids. For a part of the story of the strict case, see my 2018 Indagationes paper referred to above.

Oct 1, 2020

I hope the following file Grothendieck of a Beamer presentation of a talk for a zoom conference on Grothendieck organised by John Alexander Cruz Morales and Colin McLarty for Aug 27-28 2020 will be helpful: it contains an extensive quote of Grothendieck's comments from my From groups to groupoids survey article and also suggestions of relations with Conway groupoids, and of uses of say thousands of base points.

  • $\begingroup$ FYI, the "Grothendieck" link goes to a Sciencedirect article, not to a beamer presentation. $\endgroup$ Oct 1, 2020 at 17:29
  • $\begingroup$ Thanks, I must be gettinrg old, OK now? $\endgroup$ Oct 1, 2020 at 17:41
  • $\begingroup$ I'd be interested in mathematical reasons why this was marled down as I am writing an article on negative reactions, apparently, to letting students know of a generalisation of a standard theorem. I suspect it is because homotopy groups are defined only for spaces with one base point. $\endgroup$ Oct 29, 2020 at 15:18

One situation in which it is essential to use groupoids is the study of orbifolds.

Slogan: The set of points of an orbifold is a groupoid.

Here's a concrete problem that is illuminated by the language of groupoids. Suppose I have an orbifold $M$ with a singuar stratum $X$. The stratum $X$ is isomorphic to $S^1$, and its isotropy group is some finite group $G$. Let's also assume that $X$ is oriented.

Question: What is the "monodromy" of going around that stratum?

At first glance, one might guess that it's an element of $Aut(G)$.
That's wrong! The monodromy is an element of $Out(G)$.
So we have a somewhat paradoxical situation in front of us: there is a group associated to every point of $X$. Yet, the monodromy is not acting by automorphisms of that group.

Here's an example of orbifold that nicely illustrates the kind if situation that can occur: $$ M = (S^1\times V )/S_n, $$ where $S_n$ is the symmetric group and $V$ is a faithful representation. The group $S_n$ acts on the circle $S^1$ via the projection $S_n\twoheadrightarrow\mathbb Z_2$, and then the antipodal map. The representation $V$ of $S_n$ is just put there so that the orbifold isn't too degenerate (it can be omitted if you don't mind working with non-effective orbifolds).

In that example, the manifold $X$ is $S^1/\mathbb Z_2$. The isotropy group is the alternating group $A_n$. The monodromy is computed in the following way. Go half way around $S^1$, and then identifying "$A_n$ at point -1" with "$A_n$ at point +1" via any element of $S_n$ that sends -1 to +1. A choice of such an element yields an automorphism of $A_n$. But since there is no best way making such a choice, the only canonical thing is its class in $Out(A_n)$.

Ok. Maybe now is good moment to try to remove some of the confusion.
It all becomes more clear once you realize that the thing that is associated to a point of $X$ is not a group. It's a groupoid:

If $[M/G]$ is an orbifold and $x$ is a point in $M/G$, then the groupoid that lives above $x$ has objects given by points $m\in M$ mapping to $x$. An arrow from $m$ to $m'$ is given by a element of $G$ that sends $m$ to $m'$.

The monodromy is then simply an automorphism of that groupoid (so now there's nothing weird any more). But this automorphism might fail to fix any of the objects of the groupoid. And so it can't be viewed as an automorphism of the corresponding group, unless you make some unnatural choices.

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    $\begingroup$ In low-dimensional topology, rather than using the terminology orbifold people would just talk about marked surfaces or manifolds with trivalent graphs embedded, etc. Orbifolds (and your groupoid formalism) would have been talked about as a type of labelled stratified space. This is symbiotic with the graph-of-groups terminology, described below. So the natural question to ask is, what do you "gain" by using groupoid terminology instead of more old-fashioned terminology -- other than being fashionable? I think that's why Daniel is asking about new theorems, etc. $\endgroup$ Oct 3, 2010 at 20:47
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    $\begingroup$ The notion of groupoid is closed enough to the notion of group that I don't expect that there are any results that really require groupoids in their proofs. In other words, if you're willing to pick a base points in every connected component of every groupoid that you encounter, then you'll be able to translate any argument into the world of groups. $\endgroup$ Oct 3, 2010 at 21:06
  • $\begingroup$ At least a convincing argument I've heard is that by fixing a basepoint and throwing out the rest of the data, we're losing actual information about the space. It's only okay to pick a representative if you can show that any other representative will not only be isomorphic but uniquely so. To put it in topological terms (and in a way made precise by looking at simplicial localizations), we can only pick a basepoint without throwing away information if the groupoid is contractible. $\endgroup$ Oct 3, 2010 at 21:27
  • $\begingroup$ What's the relationship between the classifying space of a groupoid and its subgroups? It seems like there should be a fibration linking the two. So the reduction to groups in general seems to involve some effort. $\endgroup$ Oct 3, 2010 at 21:36
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    $\begingroup$ I've thought about this some more, and this well-written answer makes a lot of sense. But is this approach really all that much simpler and more natural than what we usually do, which is to work with covering spaces, and to mod out later by the indeterminancy induced by choosing a basepoint? $\endgroup$ Oct 4, 2010 at 12:49

I'd like to expand on Dustin's point. There is simply no way to think sensibly about equivariant topology, whether algebraic or geometric, without taking account of multiple basepoints. Even taking account of them one runs into subtle difficulties invisible without them (see eg [65] on my web page). I'll give examples from algebraic topology, since that is what I know best, but examples from geometric topology must abound, as illustrated in other answers.

Take a compact Lie group, or even just a finite group, and consider a smooth closed $G$-manifold $M$. What does it mean for $G$ to be orientable, and what is an orientation? These are seriously interesting questions, necessary to make sense of equivariant Poincar'e duality, and they are difficult except in the boringly simple-minded case (treated in [53] on my website) when the tangent $G_x$-representation $T_x$ is isomorphic to the restriction to $G_x$ of an ambient $G$-representation $V$ for all $x\in M$. Usually there is no such $V$, and then I can't imagine answers that do not use functors defined on equivariant fundamental groupoids (which themselves are not altogether obvious to define.) Three references which give rather different answers to these questions are [93] and [100] on my web site, and Equivariant ordinary homology and cohomology, by Costenoble and Waner. I actually do not know how to compare these answers or to calculate with them.

Again, while one can (twistedly) escape explicit use of fundamental groupoids when setting up the Serre spectral sequence with local coefficients nonequivariantly, one cannot do so equivariantly.

Perhaps invoking equivariant theory is overkill, but the fundamental groupoid is such a natural thing, and so elementary, that it seems a little perverse to try to avoid it!

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    $\begingroup$ Following on from Peter's comment, it should be pointed out that the book on Nonabelian algebraic topology deals with the case of chain complexes with a groupoid of operators, and this is useful, even necessary, in relating the fundamental crossed complex $\Pi X_*$ of a CW-complex with its skeletal filtration to the cellular chains of the universal covers at various base points, see Section 8.4. Also equivariant crossed complexes are discussed in papers [94 (1997), 114 (2001)] on my web site, joint with Golasinski, Porter, and Tonks. $\endgroup$ Apr 21, 2013 at 21:18
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    $\begingroup$ Thank you for this answer! This past week, I just finished teaching a course out of "A concise course", following which I am convinced that indeed "the fundamental groupoid is such a natural thing, and so elementary, that it seems a little perverse to try to avoid it!", to the point that I used groupoids arguments to a greater degree that the "concise course" does in some parts of chapter 3, for example. $\endgroup$ Apr 22, 2013 at 1:05
  • $\begingroup$ See also the course at Harvard on "Groupoids in topology" math.harvard.edu/~oantolin/groupoids/index.html I believe that students have less "bagage" than older workers and so can often easily catch on to the "right" concept. I first heard about groupoids in a course on homotopy theory by Michael Barratt in 1955-56. (But did not take it up till 1965.) $\endgroup$ Apr 22, 2013 at 10:38
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    $\begingroup$ I would also like to add that the realisation that all of $1$-dimensional homotopy theory seemed to me better expressed in terms of groupoids rather than groups led me to look for the potential use of higher groupoids, from a cubical viewpoint, in higher homotopy theory; Chris Spencer, Philip Higgins and Jean-Louis Loday helped hugely to develop this idea, and its applications to new calculations in homotopy theory. $\endgroup$ Oct 1, 2013 at 17:41
  • $\begingroup$ @HJRW: Just to show the value of a more general viewpoint, groupoids and higher van Kampen theorems led Loday and I to the notion of nonabelian tensor product of groups which act on each other; the current bibliography on my web page has 131 items, mainly from group theorists (only 5 with my name on). See also answers to mathoverflow.net/questions/175923. $\endgroup$ Jul 22, 2014 at 14:03

A short example.

The family of pure braid groups does not possess a symmetric operad structure.

But the fundamental groupoid of the little 2-discs operad is naturally a symmetric operad.

Although the fundamental groups of the little 2-discs operad are the pure braid groups, there is no way to choose basepoints consistent with the operad structure.

The moral is that groupoids are not naturally pointed, whilst groups are. If you're working with fundamental groups you should really be working with pointed spaces. Ofcourse you can ignore this and you'll only run into trouble if your mathematics doesn't work with pointed spaces, see the example above.

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    $\begingroup$ I'd like to understand this example in more detail- could you explain a bit more (or give a reference) to how this construction works? $\endgroup$ Oct 4, 2010 at 12:38
  • $\begingroup$ Daniel, the fundamental groupoid functor is strong symmetric monoidal, actually Cartesian, so it preserves symmetric operads. $\endgroup$ Jul 13, 2017 at 21:30
  • $\begingroup$ And the fundamental groupoid of the little 2-discs is certainly very important for Tamarkin's approach to formality. :) $\endgroup$
    – Pedro
    Oct 14, 2020 at 17:45

In my proof that mapping class groups are automatic, Ann. of Math. (2) 142 (1995), no. 2, 303–384, I used a theorem from ECHLPT "Word Processing in Groups" which says that if a groupoid is automatic then the corresponding group is automatic.

That theorem was applied in the situation of a finite type surface $S$ with one or more punctures, using the groupoid mentioned in Bruno Martelli's answer which has come to be called the "Ptolemy groupoid" of $S$, due to connections with work of Robert Penner. That groupoid needs to be altered slightly for purposes of my proof, by adding data which breaks the finite symmetry group of an ideal triangulation. The data I added was an enumeration of the prongs of the triangulation, so the objects of the resulting groupoid are "ideal triangulations with enumerated prongs". The generating morphisms of this groupoid are of two types: permutations of the enumeration; and the flip relators mentioned by Bruno Martelli, called "elementary moves" in my paper, together with some rule for enumerating the prongs of the new ideal triangulation resulting from the elementary move.

The group corresponding to this groupoid turns out to be the mapping class group of $S$, and hence the theorem from ECHLPT is applicable.

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    $\begingroup$ ECHLPT: E = (D.B.A.) Epstein, C = (J.) Cannon, H = (D.) Holt, L = (S.) Levy, P = (M.) Paterson, T = (W.) Thurston. $\endgroup$
    – Todd Trimble
    Jun 10, 2015 at 14:27

I just wanted to add something to the discussion about the utility of adding additional basepoints. It turns out this is crucial for understanding certain aspects of embedding theory. See the bottom of this answer for an explanation.

For a map of spaces $A \to B$, let $\text{Top}(A\to B)$ be the category of spaces which factorize this map. This has objects given by factorizations $A \to X \to B$ and morphisms maps $X \to X'$ which are factorization compatible in the obvious sense. Let's consider the case of the constant map $S^0 \to \ast$. Clearly, an object of $\text{Top}(S^0\to \ast)$ is just a space with a preferred pair of basepoints.

Then unreduced suspension can be regarded as a functor $$ S: \text{Top}(\emptyset \to \ast) \to \text{Top}(S^0 \to *) . $$ That is, the functor which assigns to an unbased space its unreduced suspension, considered as a space with two basepoints.

Now a desuspension question in this context asks given an object $X \in \text{Top}(S^0 \to *)$, is there an object $Y \in \text{Top}(\emptyset \to \ast) $ and a weak equivalence $$ SY \simeq X ? $$ More generally, I've gotten a lot of mileage out of the fiberwise version of this question.

Given a space $B$ we can consider the unreduced fiberwise suspension of $\emptyset \to B$ as the projection map $B \times S^0 \to B$ (here unreduced fiberwise suspension of $Y\to B$ means the double mapping cylinder of the diagram $B \leftarrow Y \to B$, or concretely, it's $B \times 0 \cup Y \times [0,1]\cup B \times 1$.

Unreduced fiberwise suspension is then a functor $$ S_B: \text{Top}(\emptyset \to B) \to \text{Top}(B\times S^0 \to B) , $$ and one can consider the problem of whether an object $X \in \text{Top}(B\times S^0 \to B)$ can be written as $S_B Y$ up to weak equivalence.

Why I care about this problem

This problem naturally arises in embedding theory: if $P \to N \times [0,1]$ is an embedding, where $P$ and $N$ are closed manifolds and if $W$ is the complement of $P$ in $N \times [0,1]$ then $W$ is an object of the category $\text{Top}(N\times S^0 \to N$) and a necessary obstruction to compressing $P$ as an embedding into $N$ is that $W$ should fiberwise desuspend over $N$. Furthermore, in certain instances the existence of fiberwise unreduced desuspension suffices to finding the compression of the embedding. (This story is explained in detail in the paper: Poincaré duality embeddings and fiberwise homotopy theory, Topology 38, 597–620 (1999).)


In the fiberwise context there is a real difference between the reduced and unreduced cases of the desuspension problem. For example, in the case of the compression problem $P \to N \times I$ described above, the two inclusions $N \times i \to P$ for $i = 0,1$ might have distinct (fiberwise) homotopy classes. If this is the case, then there's no chance that the complement data $W$ can underly a reduced fiberwise suspension, for if it did, then the map $N \times S^0 \to P$ would factor through $S_N N \cong N \times D^1$, giving a homotopy of the two inclusions $N \times i \to P$.

(For $Y \in \text{Top}(\text{id}:B \to B)$, the reduced fiberwise suspension $\Sigma_B Y$ is given by $$ \Sigma_B Y = \text{colim}(B \leftarrow S_B B \to S_B Y) . $$ This is an endo-functor of $\text{Top}(\text{id}:B \to B)$.

An even more mundane example is this: when $B = \ast$, we can consider $S^0$ with its two distinct basepoints. Clearly $S^0 = S\emptyset$, but $S^0$ is not, even up to weak equivalence, the reduced suspension of any based space.


Steenrod defined a local coefficient system as a functor from the path-groupoid of your space to a category. It is tricky to define homology/cohomology with local coefficients by just picking base points since the identifications given by the paths are needed as well. Calculations of induced maps are especially prone to error. Perhaps my favorite example is the following.

Let $\tau\colon S^{2n} \to S^{2n}$ be the antipodal map with quotient $RP^{2n}$ and quotient map $\pi\colon S^{2n} \to RP^{2n}$. There is a twisted coefficient system $Z^w$ on $RP^{2n}$ so that $H_{2n}(RP^{2n};Z^w) \cong Z$ which is used in the non-orientable Poincare duality theorem.There is a natural notion of the pull-back coefficient system and the system $\pi^\ast Z^w$ is equivalent to the usual trivial system. Hence $H_{2n}(S^{2n};\pi^\ast Z^w) \cong Z$ but the equivalence involves a choice.

Since $\pi\circ \tau = \pi$, there is a ``natural'' identification of $(\pi\circ\tau)^\ast Z^w$ with $\pi^\ast Z^w$. With these choices, the antipodal map has degree 1. If you make your choices so that the antipodal map has degree $-1$, then the two maps induced by $\pi$ have different degrees.

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    $\begingroup$ I sort-of follow, but not quite. What, explicitly, are the choices when you say "with these choices"? $\endgroup$ Oct 4, 2010 at 13:02
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    $\begingroup$ I'm not following, either. Steenrod's local coefficient system formulation isn't the only formalism available. A lot of people think of a system of coefficients as a "bundle of groups". This avoids mentioning the fundamental group(oid) completely. $\endgroup$ Oct 4, 2010 at 15:27
  • $\begingroup$ @ Ryan: Isn't a bundle of coefficient groups equivalent to a map $\pi_1(M,*) \rightarrow G$? If that's right, then you could refer to a bundle of groups without reference to the fundamental group, but it'd still be lurking in there somewhere. I.e., fundamental-groupy stuff is exactly the thing that makes local coefficients interesting. And, to bring it back to the original question, I'd imagine that this should induce a map (functor?) $\Pi_1(M) \rightarrow G$? $\endgroup$ Oct 8, 2010 at 16:20
  • $\begingroup$ That's very much my point and the point of the thread -- is usage of groupoids more than a terminology preference? $\endgroup$ Oct 8, 2010 at 16:27
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    $\begingroup$ @Ryan: "terminology preferences" can be very useful. An extreme example is Roman numerals versus Arabic numerals. I also tend to take the line expressed by the question: "Is there compelling evidence that that one can do better without one hand strapped behind ones back?" Or, as Gian-Carl Rota wrote on another matter: "Exterior algebra is not meant to prove old facts, it is meant to disclose a new world. Disclosing new worlds is as worthwhile a mathematical enterprise as proving old conjectures.” The idea of groupoids has led me to new worlds, and modes of expression. What fun! $\endgroup$ Jan 29, 2014 at 21:24

If you study the set of ideal triangulations of a fixed punctured surface you find out that:

  • ("generators") by using sequences of flips you can relate any pair of triangulations,
  • ("relators") two such sequences are related by a well-understood set of moves (the most important one is the pentagon relation)

The object you get with these "generators" and "relators" is not really a group, it is just a groupoid, called the Ptolemy groupoid. See for instance the paper of Chekhov and Fock introducing quantum Teichmuller space.

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    $\begingroup$ of what is it the fundamental groupoid? $\endgroup$ Oct 8, 2010 at 16:15
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    $\begingroup$ Oops, I skipped the word "fundamental". Luckily, this is indeed the fundamental groupoid of some topological space. The topological space is the arc complex. Every higher dimensional simplex in the arc complex corresponds to an ideal triangulation. Take one point in the interior of each such simplex: the resulting groupoid is what we need here. $\endgroup$ Oct 8, 2010 at 16:54
  • $\begingroup$ (To be more precise, the topological space should be the quotient of the arc complex by the action of the mapping class group. The result is an orbifold. The orbifold fundamental group is the mapping class group. I don't know the details, however the groupoid notion here fits very well) $\endgroup$ Oct 8, 2010 at 20:04
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    $\begingroup$ See my very recent (April 2013) answer for connections with this answer. $\endgroup$
    – Lee Mosher
    Apr 21, 2013 at 14:38

My knowledge of algebraic topology is limited, but I have found one particular example where groupoids are almost imposing themselves: a purely algebraic proof that every subgroup of a free group is free.

The usual geometric proof that a subgroup $H$ of the free group $F_2$ on two generators is free goes like this: one represents $F_2$ as the fundamental group $F_2 = \pi_1(S^1\vee S^1)$. Then, $H$ is the fundamental group of a covering of $p : X \to S^1\vee S^1$. But $X$ is a graph and the fundamental group of a graph is always free.

Of course, it should be possible to translate the above into a purely algebraic proof, but this is very difficult if you don't introduce groupoids or a related notion. I haven't done it in detail, but it appears to me that one has to treat the group $F_2$ as a groupoid "inside" the subgroup $H$. The objects of this groupoid are equivalence classes

$$ g \sim g' \iff \exists h \in H. gh = g' $$

and the morphisms are given by $\lbrace a : [g] \to [ga] \rbrace \cup \lbrace b : [g] \to [gb] \rbrace$ where $a$ and $b$ are the generators of $F_2$. This groupoid is a purely algebraic model of the covering space $X$. The group $H$ corresponds to the subgroupoid of morphisms of the form $\lbrace h : [e] \to [e] \rbrace$. It remains to be shown that $X$ can be contracted along a spanning tree while $H$ is left unchanged.

I think the point is that this last contraction rips apart the group structure of $F_2$.

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    $\begingroup$ The theorem that subgroups of free groups are free can be proved purely algebraically (well, I consider combinatorial group theory as done by manupulating words to be algebra...) without even mentioning groupoids, and I think that the notion does not quite impose itself in the argument. Potatos potatos? $\endgroup$ Oct 4, 2010 at 12:43
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    $\begingroup$ Well, you can shuffle cards or perform other permutations without ever mentioning groups, too... Do you have a proof in mind that uses a different construction? I would give the label "groupoid" to anything that looks like the above; more precisely, my criterion for the label "groupoid" is that $h \in H$ is represented as a "composition of edges in a graph". $\endgroup$ Oct 4, 2010 at 15:45
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    $\begingroup$ The point is that group theory has a sufficient body of non-trivial theorems where the terminology becomes a useful conceptual macro. In almost every mathematical paper there are "local definitions" of concepts useful for some stage in a proof. These ideas only earn broad acceptance once people see how convienient the theory is. What I think Daniel is getting at is, "is there such body of theorems for groupoids"? Or are groupoids just a terminology preference of authors -- some choose to use them, some choose to stick to concepts that do not explicitly invoke groupoids, but are equivalent. $\endgroup$ Oct 4, 2010 at 19:16
  • $\begingroup$ Fair enough. (I don't know enough about groupoids to judge them). Interestingly, there are counterexamples to the "body of theorems" requirement, though. For instance, there are no non-trivial theorems about functors in general, but they are a really slick way of talking about one ever reappearing pattern. $\endgroup$ Oct 5, 2010 at 7:58
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    $\begingroup$ Mariano, I don't think that's entirely fair. The 'usual' purely algebraic proof involves Nielsen reduction (see, for instance, Lyndon and Schupp). Although we think of it as morally similar to the topological proof, there are technicalities that make it a little different. (For instance, the algebraic proof naturally deals with ordered bases, whereas the topological proof spits out a basis as a set.) Greg's proposal does seem like a closer translation into algebra of the topological proof. +1 to Greg. $\endgroup$
    – HJRW
    Oct 9, 2010 at 14:16

Crisp and Paris's proof of Tits's conjecture that the subgroup of an Artin group generated by the squares of the generators is itself a right-angled Artin group uses groupoids in an essential way. For each small type Artin group, they construct a surface with boundary by gluing annuli along squares and mark each square with a base point, and then then study the action of the Artin group on the fundamental groupoid (with respect to a basepoints which correspond to the gluing squares) of the obvious graph which is a deformation retract of this surface. In this way, they construct a representation of such an Artin group into automorphisms of the fundamental groupoid of a graph. Here is the reference:

Crisp and Paris, ``The solution to a conjecture of Tits on the subgroup generated by the squares of the generators of an Artin group'', Invent. Math. 145 (2001).

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    $\begingroup$ Isn't this just a re-labelling of an older technique that combinatorial and geometric group theorists call a "graph of groups" argument/construction or Bass-Serre theory? $\endgroup$ Oct 3, 2010 at 19:31
  • $\begingroup$ A graph of groups is to a graph what an orbifold is to a manifold. So a graph of groups is very much related to groupoids, just like orbifolds are. $\endgroup$ Oct 3, 2010 at 20:17
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    $\begingroup$ Following up the last comment, see the paper Higgins, P.J. The fundamental groupoid of a graph of groups. J. London Math. Soc. (2) 13~(1) (1976) 145--149. which gives a normal form without any choice of base point or tree, and has been ignored by the specialists. One can regard the method as "distributed computing", with one computer at each vertex, analysing a word as it passes through. Emma Moore at Bangor did a nice thesis on this (2001). $\endgroup$ Jan 25, 2012 at 7:44
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    $\begingroup$ Ronnie, this last comment begs the question. The reason Higgins' paper 'has been ignored by the specialists' is that it isn't particularly useful: the groupoid normal form isn't importantly different from the usual group normal form. (Also, the groupoid normal form is already implicit in Serre's work.) $\endgroup$
    – HJRW
    Apr 22, 2013 at 14:33
  • $\begingroup$ @HJRW: In mathematics, I feel there can often be a world of difference between "implicit" and "explicit", especially if the latter is followed by exploitation. See for example this paper PAUL LUNAU, Int. J. Algebra Comput., 15, 129 (2005). For me, the chief advantage of groupoids was that they led to higher homotopy groupoids, see presentations in 2014 at Paris, IHP, and Galway, on my preprint page. $\endgroup$ Dec 26, 2014 at 16:15

The most convincing example I have found of "two basepoints being better than one" is the incorrect statement of the main result of the following paper:

Garoufalidis, Stavros, and Andrew Kricker. "A surgery view of boundary links." Mathematische Annalen 327.1 (2003): 103-115. arXiv:math/0205328

and its corrected version here:

Habiro, Kazuo, and Tamara Widmer. "On Kirby calculus for null-homotopic framed links in 3–manifolds." Algebraic & Geometric Topology 14.1 (2014): 115-134. arXiv:1302.0612

The result implies a Kirby theorem for framed links in certain classes of link complements. The condition for the statement to be true is that a certain commutative diagram commutes. The diagram for fundamental groups fails to commute in general, but it does commute for fundamental groupoids, and this implies the desired Kirby Theorem.

Further details are provided below.

Quantum topology of knots, links, and 3-manifolds is the study of diagrammatically-constructed topological invariants. The hard kernel of any such construction is a theorem that translates from topology to the combinatorics of a class of diagrams. In 3-manifold topology this is the Kirby Theorem. The Kirby Theorem states that two 3-manifolds are homeomorphic if and only if they are obtained from Dehn surgery on links $L$ and $L^\prime$ correspondingly such that $L^\prime$ can be obtained from $L$ by a sequence of so-called Kirby moves: Stabilization and handle-slide.

To obtain a quantum-topological $3$--manifold invariant, the recipe is to define a quantum topological invariant for a framed link diagram, and to mod out by the relations induced by stabilization and and handle-slide. This turns out to be achievable and this procedure has given rise to interesting invariants, such as the LMO invariant.

For links in general $3$--manifolds, Fenn and Rourke proved that the analogous result holds if we allow a third move: circumcision. From the quantum-topological perspective, this doesn't help us because circumcision is too violent a move- if we mod out by it, the resulting invariants are usually killed. Fenn and Rourke showed that we could do without circumcision when a certain diagram of fundamental groups of 4-manifolds (cobordisms defined by the respective surgeries) commutes. The Fenn--Rourke results was generalized to $3$--manifolds with boundary by Roberts.

Kricker and Garoufalidis considered a certain restricted class of $3$--manifolds with boundary---- complements of so-called boundary links. They argue that the Fenn-Rourke diagram commutes- but it doesn't unless the boundary link happens to be a knot. As shown by Habiro and Widmer, it commutes only when we place a basepoint on each component of the boundary.

  • $\begingroup$ What I do not understand is that the word "groupoid" does not occur in the Habiro-Widmer paper, though they do use the sets of homotopy classes of paths $\pi_1(p,q)$ between two points $p,q$ for certain $p,q$. $\endgroup$ Aug 8, 2017 at 20:34
  • $\begingroup$ The sequel to this paper does use the word "groupoid": arxiv.org/abs/1404.0282 $\endgroup$ Aug 8, 2017 at 22:23
  • $\begingroup$ Yes: in fact they do use the fundamental groupoid on a set of base points. $\endgroup$ Aug 9, 2017 at 11:08

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