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$\newcommand\tf{\text{tf}}\newcommand\tor{\text{tor}}$Let $G$ be a finitely generated group. Let $\gamma_k(G)$ denote the $k$th term in the lower central series for $G$, so $\gamma_1(G) = G$ and $\gamma_{k+1}(G) = [\gamma_k(G),G]$ for all $k \geq 1$.

There is also a natural central series that it makes sense to call the "torsion-free lower central series", and is defined inductively as follows. First, define $\gamma_1^{\tf}(G) = G$. Now assume that $\gamma_k^{\tf}(G)$ has been defined for some $k \geq 1$. We then have a finitely generated abelian group $$V_k = \gamma_k^{\tf}(G) / [G,\gamma_k^{\tf}(G)].$$ Let $V_k^{\tor}$ be the torsion subgroup of $V_k$, and define $\gamma_{k+1}^{\tf}(G)$ to be the pullback of $V_k^{\tor}$ under the projection $\gamma_k^{\tf}(G) \rightarrow V_k$.

It follows from the definitions that each $\gamma_k^{\tf}(G)/\gamma_{k+1}^{\tf}(G)$ is a finitely generated free abelian group. Moreover, $\gamma_k(G) < \gamma_k^{\tf}(G)$ for all $k$.

Question: Is it true that $\gamma_k^{\tf}(G)/\gamma_{k+1}^{\tf}(G)$ and $\gamma_k(G)/\gamma_{k+1}(G)$ have the same rank (i.e. become isomorphic after tensoring with $\mathbb{Q}$) for all $k$?

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    $\begingroup$ $\newcommand\Z{\mathbb Z}\newcommand\Q{\mathbb Q}$Isn't $\gamma_k^{\text{tf}}(G) \otimes_\Z \Q/\gamma_{k + 1}^{\text{tf}}(G) \otimes_\Z \Q$ isomorphic to $\gamma_k(G \otimes_\Z \Q)/\gamma_{k + 1}(G \otimes_\Z \Q)$, so we're comparing the ranks of $\gamma_k(G \otimes_\Z \Q)/\gamma_{k + 1}(G \otimes_\Z \Q)$ and $\gamma_k(G)/\gamma_{k + 1}(G)$? $\endgroup$
    – LSpice
    Commented Feb 27, 2021 at 5:06
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    $\begingroup$ Yes. $G/\gamma_k^{\mathrm{tf}(G)}$ is the quotient of $G/\gamma_k(G)$ by its torsion subgroup, which is finite. So they have the same Hirsch rank. $\endgroup$
    – YCor
    Commented Feb 27, 2021 at 13:12
  • $\begingroup$ @YCor: I don't see why that has to be hold. I agree that the crux of the problem is to prove that $\gamma_k(G)$ is finite-index in $\gamma_k^{tf}(G)$ for all $k$ (you could then use the additivity of Hirsch ranks in extensions), but once you get beyond small $k$ I don't see why the difference is precisely the torsion subgroup of that quotient. $\endgroup$
    – Irina
    Commented Feb 27, 2021 at 18:44
  • $\begingroup$ @LSpice: I only know what $G \otimes_{\mathbb{Z}} \mathbb{Q}$ means when $G$ is torsion-free, but I agree that once you kill off the irrelevant torsion subgroup your statement is equivalent to mine. $\endgroup$
    – Irina
    Commented Feb 27, 2021 at 18:46
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    $\begingroup$ $G$ is an Abelian group, hence a $\mathbb Z$-module, and $G \otimes_{\mathbb Z} \mathbb Q$ means to tensor as $\mathbb Z$-modules. It does wind up only seeing the torsion-free quotient of $G$. (For example, $\mathbb Z/n\mathbb Z \otimes_{\mathbb Z} \mathbb Q = \mathbb Z/n\mathbb Z \otimes_{\mathbb Z} n\mathbb Q = n\mathbb Z/n\mathbb Z \otimes_{\mathbb Z} \mathbb Q = 0$.) $\endgroup$
    – LSpice
    Commented Feb 27, 2021 at 20:43

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You can prove this by repeatedly applying the following lemma:

Lemma: Let $G$ be a group and let $A,B \lhd G$ be finitely generated normal subgroups. Assume that $A$ and $B$ are commensurable. Then $[G,A]$ and $[G,B]$ are commensurable and $$\left(A / [G,A]\right) \otimes \mathbb{Q} \cong \left(B / [G,B]\right) \otimes \mathbb{Q}.$$

At the kth stage of the argument, you've proven that $\gamma_k(G)$ is a finite-index subgroup of $\gamma^{tf}_k(G)$. Applying the lemma (with $G$ replaced with $G/\gamma_{k+1}(G)$ —- this doesn’t change the relevant subquotients, and since it makes the group finitely generated nilpotent it make all its subgroups finitely generated) we deduce that the ranks of $\gamma_k(G)/\gamma_{k+1}(G)$ and $\gamma^{tf}(G)/[G,\gamma^{tf}_{k}(G)]$ are the same, and also that $\gamma_{k+1}(G)$ is a finite-index subgroup of $[G,\gamma^{tf}_{k+1}(G)]$. By construction, the ranks of $\gamma^{tf}(G)/[G,\gamma^{tf}_{k}(G)]$ and $\gamma^{tf}(G)/\gamma^{tf}_{k+1}(G)$ are the same (giving one conclusion!), and also that $\gamma^{tf}_{k+1}(G)$ is commensurable with $[G,\gamma^{tf}_{k}(G)]$ (letting us continue the induction!).

Proof of lemma: We can assume without loss of generality that $A$ is a finite-index subgroup of $B$. The purported isomorphism can be rewritten as $$H_1(A;\mathbb{Q})_G \cong H_1(B;\mathbb{Q})_G,$$ where the subscripts indicate that we are taking the $G$-coinvariants. Since $B/A$ is a finite group, the Hochschild-Serre spectral sequence of the extension $$1 \rightarrow A \rightarrow B \rightarrow B/A \rightarrow 1$$ degenerates to show that $$H_k(B;\mathbb{Q}) \cong H_0(B/A;H_k(A;\mathbb{Q})) = H_k(A;\mathbb{Q})_B \quad \text{for all $k \geq 0$},$$ and taking the $G$-convariants of this gives that $$H_k(A;\mathbb{Q})_G = \left(H_k(A;\mathbb{Q})_B\right)_G \cong H_k(B;\mathbb{Q})_G \quad \text{for all $k \geq 0$}.$$ The special case $k=1$ of this is what we were supposed to prove.

To see that $[G,A]$ and $[G,B]$ are commensurable, we will need the Hirsch index of a general group $\Gamma$, which is the supremum of the $n$ such that there exists a chain $$\Gamma_0 < \Gamma_1 < \cdots < \Gamma_n$$ of subgroups of $\Gamma$ such that $\Gamma_i$ is an infinite-index subgroup of $\Gamma_{i+1}$ for all $0 \leq i < n$ (this is usually only defined for polycyclic groups, but it is not hard to see that this reduces to the usual definition in that case; see this answer for more details).

Let $r$ be the common dimension of $\left(A / [G,A]\right) \otimes \mathbb{Q}$ and $\left(B / [G,B]\right) \otimes \mathbb{Q}$. Since $A$ is a finite-index normal subgroup of $B$, we can apply the additivity result proved here to the short exact sequence $$1 \longrightarrow A/[G,A] \longrightarrow B/[G,A] \longrightarrow B/A \longrightarrow 1$$ to deduce that $$h(B/[G,A]) = h(A/[G,A]) + h(B/A) = r + 0 = r.$$ Applying this additivity now to the short exact sequence $$1 \longrightarrow [G,B]/[G,A] \longrightarrow B/[G,A] \longrightarrow B/[G,B] \longrightarrow 1,$$ we see that $$r = h(B/[G,A]) = h([G,B]/[G,A]) + h(B/[G,B]) = h([G,B]/[G,A]) + r.$$ It follows that $h([G,B]/[G,A])=0$, so $[G,A]$ is a finite-index subgroup of $[G,B]$, as desired.

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