# Can the intermediate Chern classes be expressed as Euler classes?

General question: We know that the top Chern class $$c_n(\xi)$$ of an $$n$$-dimensional complex vector bundle $$\xi$$ is its Euler class, while the first Chern class, $$c_1(\xi)$$, is the Euler class of its determinant bundle. Can the intermediate classes also be expressed as Euler classes of bundles related to $$\xi$$?

Let me also ask a much more specific question: We know that $$H^\ast(BU(3);{\mathbb Z}) = {\mathbb Z}[c_1, c_2, c_3]$$. Is there a complex 2-plane bundle over the classifying space $$BU(3)$$ (or $$BU(n)$$ for $$n\geq 3$$) whose Euler class is $$c_2$$?

Motivation: Long story short, I'm trying to construct an analogue of $$c_2$$ in a context where I know that the usual constructions I'm familiar with won't work. But I do have Euler classes in this context, so if I could express $$c_2$$ as an Euler class as above, I might be able to use that in my context. On the other hand, if anyone has a proof that there is no such bundle over $$BU(3)$$, then that will save me time chasing down that particular rabbit hole.

• That's one of the constructions I'm familiar with, but note that only the top class is defined directly as an Euler class of a bundle on the given space. The construction carries over to my context, but gives the "wrong" classes for reasons too complicated to explain in this comment. – Steve Costenoble Jan 5 at 4:02
• If I am not mistaken, reduced mod 2 we have $Sq^2 c_2 = c_1 c_2 + c_3$ so the answer to the specific question is no. – Gustavo Granja Jan 5 at 10:48
• Maybe I misunderstood the question. Such a bundle would be classified by a map to $BU(2)$ which would pullback $c_2 \in H^2(BU(2))$ to $c_2 \in H^2(BU(3))$. That is precluded by the formula for the action of $Sq^2$ on $H^*BSU(3)$. – Gustavo Granja Jan 5 at 16:30
• @GustavoGranja: Yes, of course, now I see. If you want to submit your comment as an answer I'll accept it. Many thanks. – Steve Costenoble Jan 5 at 16:47
• @SteveCostenoble I thought there might a virtual bundle operation (a la Adams operations, etc) generalizing the "top exterior power" and "identity" operations that gives you the first and last chern class, but i tried a few things and nothing worked...it seems there's something special about the first and last symmetric polynomials! – John Greenwood Jan 7 at 1:13