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This question concerns the amount of information about a model $M$ that is contained in the collection of all reals Cohen over $M$.

Specifically, let $M$ and $N$ be countable transitive models of ZFC and suppose that they have the same collection of Cohen reals, i.e. any real $c\in V$ is Cohen over one of them iff it is Cohen over the other one. Does this tell us anything about $M$ and $N$?

Naively one might hope to get that $M=N$, but this is far too much. Already if $M$ and $N$ merely agree on $\mathcal{P}(\omega)$, then they will share the same Cohen reals, since the dense subsets of the Cohen poset are effectively coded by reals. So we can get easy examples of models $M\neq N$ which share the same Cohen reals, e.g. by letting $N$ be a sufficiently closed forcing extension of $M$.

This tells us that we cannot hope to recover information about $M$ and $N$ beyond their reals. But can we recover that? If $M$ and $N$ share their Cohen reals, is $\mathcal{P}(\omega)^M=\mathcal{P}(\omega)^N$?

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    $\begingroup$ If $V=L[c],$ where $c$ is random over $L$, then the answer is no, as $L$ and $V$ have the same Cohen reals (in fact there is no such a real), but they have different power sets at $\omega.$ $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 14, 2017 at 10:21
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    $\begingroup$ @MohammadGolshani Sure, but I'm mainly interested in looking at models for which $V$ has plenty of Cohen reals available. That is why I restricted the question to countable transitive models. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 14, 2017 at 11:13

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Unless I'm missing something, don't you get a counterexample if $N=M[s]$ where $s$ is a Sacks real over $M$? The point is that every dense open subset of $2^{<\omega}$ in a Sacks extension includes such a dense open set in the ground model and so a Cohen real over $M$ remains Cohen over $M[s]$.

This is a standard fusion argument. One can proceed as follows:

Lemma:

Suppose $p\Vdash``\text{$\dot D$ is dense open in $2^{<\omega}$}"$, $n<\omega$, and $\sigma\in 2^{<\omega}$. Then there are $q\leq p$ and $\tau\in 2^{<\omega}$ such that

  • $\tau\supseteq \sigma$,

  • $q\upharpoonright\vphantom{B}^n2= p \upharpoonright\vphantom{B}^{n}2$, and

  • $q\Vdash \check{\tau}\in\dot D$

proof: Let $\{a_i:i<k\}$ list $p\cap\vphantom{B}^n2$, and for each $i<k$ let $p_i$ be those elements of $p$ that extend $a_i$ (so $p_i\in P$). We define objects $q_i$ and $s_i$ by recursion for $i<k$ so that

  • $q_i$ is an extension of $p_i$,
  • $s_i\in 2^{<\omega}$,
  • $s_0\supseteq\sigma$,
  • for $i<k$ we have $s_{i+1}\supseteq s_i$, and
  • $q_i\Vdash``\check{s}_i\in \dot D".$

We can do this easily because each $p_i$ is an extension of $p$ in $P$, and hence $p_i$ forces $\dot D$ to be dense open. In fact, for ANY $s\in 2^{<\omega}$ and condition $r\leq p$, there are $r'\leq r$ in $P$ and $t\in 2^{<\omega}$ such that $t\supseteq s$ and $r'\Vdash ``t\in \dot D"$. (We are asking $r'$ to decide a particular value for some extension of $s$ in $\dot D$, and such conditions are dense below $p$.)

Let $\tau= s_{k-1}$, so $\sigma\subseteq s_0\subseteq\dots\subseteq s_{k-1}=\tau$, and since $p$ forces $\dot D$ to be open, it follows that each $q_i$ forces $\tau$ to be in $\dot D$.

Now paste the conditions $q_i$ back together to build $q$. We have

  • $q\leq p$ in $P$, and
  • $q\upharpoonright\vphantom{B}^n2= p \upharpoonright\vphantom{B}^{n}2$.

Since any extension of $q$ is compatible with some $q_i$, it follows that

  • $q\Vdash \check{\tau}\in\dot D$,

and since $\tau$ extends $\sigma$, we are done. $\square$

We use the Lemma to build a fusion sequence. I haven't introduced a definition for $\leq_n$ on $P$, but the above Lemma is strong enough to get what we want for any of the standard variants.

Let $\langle \sigma_n:n<\omega\rangle$ enumerate $2^{<\omega}$, and suppose $p\Vdash``\dot{D}\text{ is dense open in }2^{<\omega}\text{''}$. We build sequences $\langle p_n:n<\omega\rangle$ and $\langle \tau_n:n<\omega\rangle$ such that

  • $p_0=p$,
  • $p_{n+1}\leq_n p_n$, and
  • $p_{n+1}$ forces that $\tau_n$ is an extension of $\sigma_n$ in $\dot D$

Let $q\leq p_n$ for all $n$ (by fusion) and let $E$ be the those elements of $2^{<\omega}$ which extend $\tau_n$ for some $n$. Then $E$ is a dense open subset of $2^{<\omega}$ in the ground model, and

$q\Vdash\check{E}\subseteq \dot D,$

as required.

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  • $\begingroup$ Excellent! This is exactly the resolution I was hoping for: a forcing extension that preserves the Cohenness of reals. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 15, 2017 at 9:02
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    $\begingroup$ Something similar holds with Random reals and the Sacks extension as well --- the meager/null ideal in the extension is generated by Borel meager/null sets coded in the ground model. A lot of this is detailed in the Bartoszynski-Judah book on the Set Theory of the Reals, and the articles by Blass and Bartoszynski ih the Handbook of Set Theory. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 15, 2017 at 19:02

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