I made the following claim over at the Secret Blogging Seminar, and now I'm not sure it's true:

Let $f: X \to Y$ and $g: X \to Y$ be two maps between finite CW complexes. If f and g induce the same map on $\pi_k$, for all k, then f and g are homotopic.

Was I telling the truth?

EDIT: Since I didn't say anything about basepoints, I probably should have said that f and g induce the same map

$[S^k, X] \to [S^k, Y]$.

This will also deal better with the situation where X and Y are disconnected. I'd be interested in knowing a result like this either with pointed maps or nonpointed maps. (Although, of course, if you work with pointed maps you have to take X and Y connected, because $[S^k, -]$ can't see anything beyond the number of components in that case.)


This is not true. Consider, for example, a degree 1 map from a torus $S^1 \times S^1$ to $S^2$ (concretely, realize the torus as a square with identifications, and then collapse the boundary of the square to a point). This map is trivial on all homotopy groups (since for any $n>0, \pi_n$ is 0 for either the domain or the codomain), but it is not homotopically trivial because it is nonzero on $H_2$.

If you want to demand that the spaces be simply connected, you can get a counterexample by considering cohomology operations: the cup square, for example, gives a map from $K(\mathbb{Z},n)$ to $K(\mathbb{Z},2n)$ which is nontrivial, but for the same reason as the previous example it must be 0 on homotopy groups. This example is not finite-dimensional, but it's probably possible to find one that is--I just don't know how because I don't know how to show a map is trivial on homotopy groups if the spaces have infinitely many nontrivial homotopy groups whose values are unknown, which is the case for most finite-dimensional examples.

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    $\begingroup$ A further example from Allen Hatcher: The same thing works for the quotient map S^n x S^n ---> S^{2n} collapsing S^n v S^n to a point. This map is trivial on homotopy groups since \pi_i(S^n x S^n) = \pi_i(S^n) x \pi_i(S^n), so the inclusion of S^n v S^n into S^n x S^n is surjective on \pi_i. $\endgroup$ Oct 27 '09 at 17:53

Another interesting counterexample is given by so-called "phantom maps", which induce the zero map on all homotopy groups but are not nullhomotopic. Given an infinite CW-complex X which is a union $\bigcup X_n$ of finite subcomplexes, Milnor described homotopy classes of maps out to Y where the phantom maps are given by a "lim$^1$"-term.

For example, I believe that using this Brayton Gray used this to construct a map from $CP^\infty$ to $S^3$ that is nullhomotopic on $CP^n$ for all $n$.

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    $\begingroup$ It is worth pointing out that phantom maps are not uncommon. Indeed, in a compactly generated triangulated category an object which is not the target of any non-zero phantom map is pure-injective and the isomorphism classes of indecomposable pure-injective objects form a set. $\endgroup$ Oct 27 '09 at 2:20

Sorry to revive an old question, but I can't resist emphasizing the big picture. The question is whether the homotopy groups, considered as functors $\pi_n: \mathrm{HoTop_{*,fin}} \to \mathrm{Set}$, are jointly faithful. This is equivalent to asking whether the product of these functors $\prod_n \pi_n: \mathrm{HoTop_{*,fin}} \to \mathrm{Set}$ is faithful. Not only is this functor not faithful, but Freyd showed that no functor from $\mathrm{HoTop}_{*,fin}$ to $\mathrm{Set}$ can be faithful! The same goes for functors $\mathrm{HoTop}_{fin} \to \mathrm{Set}$, and of course this means there is no faithful functor $\mathrm{HoTop} \to \mathrm{Set}$ or $\mathrm{HoTop}_* \to \mathrm{Set}$.

A category admitting a faithful functor to $\mathrm{Set}$ (such as groups, or rings, or chain complexes, or topological spaces at the point-set level, or pretty much any category you know which is not the derived category of something) is called concrete; Freyd's result says that the homotopy category is not concrete. Note that a non-concrete functor can't have a faithful functor to any concrete category! Akhil Mathew has a nice blog post going through the proof of Freyd's result. It comes down to the fact that in the homotopy category you can have a proper class of (suitably generalized) quotient objects, which can't happen in a concrete category.

In this context, Freyd's generating hypothesis (as alluded to in Josh Shadlen's answer), implying that the stable homotopy category (of finite spectra) is concrete, is absolutely astounding.(see Eric Wofsey's comment below straightening me out on this)

EDIT As pointed out in the comments, the question was actually about finite homotopy types, which form a small category (hence concrete by taking the coproduct of all representables). And Freyd's results really have nothing to say about the faithfulness of the homotopy groups on finite homotopy types. Freyd does show that the homotopy category of finite-dimensional CW complexes is not concrete. So what I said above is only accurate if by $\mathrm{HoTop}_{*,\mathrm{fin}}$ I mean the homotopy category of finite-dimensional CW complexes rather than finite ones.

EDIT2 Here's a relation between Freyd's ideas and the non-faithfulness of the homotopy groups on finite CW complexes. Freyd formulates an equivalence relation on morphisms out of an object in a pointed category which generalizes the notion of two morphisms having the same image (namely, $A\to B \sim A \to C$ if for every $X \to A$ one has $X \to B = 0$ iff $X \to C= 0$). This equivalence relation is reflected by any faithful functor $F$, i.e. if $Ff$ and $Fg$ have the same generalized image then $f$ and $g$ have the same generalized image. The map $S^1\times S^1 \to S^2$ crushing the 1-skeleton to a point does not have the same generalized image as a point, but after applying $pi_*$ it does.

An equivalence class of maps with the same generalized image can be regarded as a "generalized quotient". Freyd's idea was that in the homotopy category, an object can have a proper class of generalized quotients, which is impossible in a concrete category. For finite CW complexes, we don't have a proper class of generalized quotients, but we can exhibit a nonzero generalized quotient which is sent to zero by the homotopy groups.

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    $\begingroup$ Freyd's generating hypothesis isn't really astounding in this context because it only is about finite spectra, which form an essentially small category. $\endgroup$ Dec 10 '14 at 16:44
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    $\begingroup$ @EricWofsey True, though I asked the question about finite CW complexes. If I understand the terminology correctly, that is essentially small. $\endgroup$ Dec 10 '14 at 17:28
  • $\begingroup$ @DavidSpeyer Good point. On the point-set level they have the cardinality of the continuum. I wonder if we can at least say that the homotopy category of finite CW complexes doesn't admit a countable generating set? $\endgroup$
    – Tim Campion
    Dec 10 '14 at 18:00
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    $\begingroup$ There are only countably many finite CW complexes up to equivalence; this is easy to prove by induction on the number of cells. $\endgroup$ Dec 10 '14 at 18:21
  • $\begingroup$ Eh, there go my chances of saying something interesting. $\endgroup$
    – Tim Campion
    Dec 10 '14 at 18:23

For finite spectra, your question is precisely Freyd's generating hypothesis, which is open.


Another class of examples comes from group cohomology: if $G$ is any group with interesting higher cohomology $H^n(G, A), n \ge 2$ then there are non-nullhomotopic maps $BG \to B^n A$ for some $n \ge 2$. But the source and target don't have nonzero homotopy groups in any shared degree so any such map induces the zero map on homotopy groups. If these cohomology groups all vanished then, among other things, groups would have no nontrivial central extensions and so all finite $p$-groups would be elementary abelian!

(Edit: admittedly, the above examples don't usually involve finite complexes. But with the right $G$ we can take $BG$ to be an aspherical manifold and then we can truncate $B^n A$.)

This is the precise analog, in topology, of the fact in homological algebra that in most interesting abelian categories $\text{Ext}^i$ can be nontrivial for $i \ge 1$, which reflects the existence of maps in derived categories between two objects which don't have nonzero homology groups in any shared degree.

Group cohomology turns out to be a pretty good model for the more general question:

What is a complete set of obstructions for a map $f : X \to Y$ (let's say pointed, between pointed CW complexes) to be nullhomotopic?

There is an obstruction theory coming from trying to lift $f$ up through the stages of the Whitehead tower

$$\dots \to Y_2 \to Y_1 \to Y_0 \cong Y$$

of $Y$. Here $Y_k$ is the $(k-1)$-connected cover of $Y$, obtained from $Y$ by killing $\pi_1, \pi_2, \dots \pi_{k-1}$ (so the index tells you the lowest degree in which it can have a nontrivial homotopy group). In particular $Y_1$ is the connected component of the basepoint and $Y_2$ is the universal cover.

At each stage, suppose we've lifted $f$ to a map $f_n : X \to Y_n$. Now, $Y_n$ has lowest homotopy group $\pi_n(Y_n) \cong \pi_n(Y)$, and hence there is a natural map

$$k_n : Y_n \to B^n \pi_n(Y)$$

inducing an isomorphism on $\pi_n$. The pullback of this map along $f_n$ gives a cohomology class

$$k_n \in H^n(X, \pi_n(Y))$$

which I'll also call $k_n$, and $f_n$ lifts to a map $f_{n+1} : X \to Y_{n+1}$ iff this cohomology class vanishes. (In general, $k_n$ is only well-defined once we've chosen a lift $f_n$.) The punchline now is that $f$ is nullhomotopic iff all lifts $f_n$ exist iff all classes $k_n$ vanish. If $X$ has finite cohomological dimension then this is in principle only finitely many conditions to check.

Example. Let $Y = BO$ be the classifying space of stable real vector bundles, let $X$ be a smooth manifold, and let $f : X \to BO$ be the classifying map of the stable tangent bundle. Then $f$ is nullhomotopic iff $X$ is stably parallelizable. The characteristic classes $k_n$ are Bott periodic. Here are the first few:

$k_1$ is the first Stiefel-Whitney class $w_1$. It vanishes iff $f$ lifts to a map $f_2 : X \to BSO$ iff $X$ is orientable. Here $BSO$ is $Y_2$.

$k_2$ is the second Stiefel-Whitney class $w_2$. It vanishes iff $f_2$ lifts to a map $f_3 : X \to BSpin$ iff $X$ has a spin structure. Here $BSpin$ is $Y_3 \cong Y_4$.

$k_3$ automatically vanishes. $k_4$ is the first fractional Pontryagin class $\frac{p_1}{2}$. It vanishes iff $f_3$ lifts to a map $f_5 : X \to BString$ iff $X$ has a string structure. Here $BString$ is $Y_5 \cong Y_6 \cong Y_7$.

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    $\begingroup$ Thanks, this is really useful! I think you mean $\mathrm{Ext}^i$ nonzero for $i \geq 2$, yes? If only $\mathrm{Ext}^1$ and $\mathrm{Ext}^0$ is nonzero, then I believe every complex is derived equivalent to its homology. $\endgroup$ Dec 10 '14 at 17:54
  • $\begingroup$ Here mathoverflow.net/questions/87830 is a reference for modules over an algebra; it should work in any abelian category. Also, some good discussion at mathoverflow.net/q/8974 from the algebra side. $\endgroup$ Dec 10 '14 at 18:02
  • $\begingroup$ @David: hmm, no, I think I mean $i \ge 1$. Let $A$ be an abelian category, $M, N$ objects of $A$ thought of as objects of $D(A)$ in degree $0$. These are already derived equivalent to their homology, and there are no interesting maps between their homologies; nevertheless, if $\text{Ext}^i(M, N) \neq 0$ for any $i \ge 2$ then there is some nonzero map $M \to N[i]$ in $D(A)$. $\endgroup$ Dec 10 '14 at 18:48
  • $\begingroup$ I still mean $i \ge 1$ above. The complication here, I guess, is that homology is not a representable functor in the derived category. An analogous statement in topology is that homotopy is not a representable functor in $\infty$-groups. $\endgroup$ Dec 10 '14 at 19:04
  • $\begingroup$ And "no interesting maps between their homologies" means "as graded abelian groups, after shifting by $i$." Sorry about that. It's annoying that I can only edit comments for $5$ minutes. $\endgroup$ Dec 10 '14 at 19:12

A simple example with finite complexes would be the collapse map $q:X\times Y\to X \wedge Y$. Since the inclusion $X \vee Y \hookrightarrow X\times Y$ is surjective on $\pi_*$, $q_* = 0$. But $q$ is generally nonzero on homology; for example if $X = S^n$, $Y=S^m$, then $q_*$ is an isomorphism on $H_{n+m}$.


I think the proper Whitehead for maps says that if the cone of the map has trivial homotopy groups, then the map is a homotopy equivalence.

Edit: see also the discussion of Whitehead theorem in the comments.

  • $\begingroup$ Interesting, but I want a theorem whose conclusion is that f and g are homotopic. Thanks, though! $\endgroup$ Oct 26 '09 at 21:17
  • $\begingroup$ Philosophically, Whitehead characterizes properties of one object, not two. You could get what you want by considering properties of a map А between maps f and g that is a candidate for homotopy, I think. $\endgroup$ Oct 26 '09 at 21:26
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    $\begingroup$ Ilya, this is not generally true unless the spaces in question are simply connected. $\endgroup$ Oct 26 '09 at 22:28
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    $\begingroup$ If you have a map f whose mapping cone is contractible, then excision in homology tells you that f induces an iso H_*X --> H_*Y in homology. The Whitehead theorem (or is it the Hurewicz theorem? I can never remember) tells you that if X and Y are simply connected CW complexes, then f is a homotopy equivalence. Counterexamples exist if the spaces aren't simply connected, however. $\endgroup$ Oct 27 '09 at 0:25
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    $\begingroup$ The version he's stating for simply-connected spaces is sometimes called the homology Whitehead theorem, which is a consequence of the ordinary Whitehead theorem and the Hurewicz theorem together. $\endgroup$ Oct 27 '09 at 0:40

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