# Has the Jacobson/ Baer radical of a group been studied?

On groupprops, the Jacobson or Baer radical of a group $G$ is defined to be the intersection of all maximal normal subgroups of $G$. This is similar to, but distinct from, the Frattini subgroup which is the intersection of all maximal subgroups of $G$.

Obviously the Jacobson radical of rings and the Frattini subgroup have been well-studied and are very useful.

Are there any significant results concerning or uses of the Jacobson radical of groups?

For comparison, significant results for the Frattini subgroup would include the facts about in on the Wikipedia page. So equivalent characterisations, its properties and so on.

• It is the smallest normal subgroup such that the associated quotient is a direct product of simple groups. Jan 13, 2017 at 11:18
• @GeoffRobinson you mean for finite group, which is somewhat a trivial case. A free group, for instance, has a trivial Jacobson-Baer radical.
– YCor
Jan 13, 2017 at 14:20
• @YCor: Yes, I indeed thought the question was about finite groups, I did not read carefully enough. Jan 13, 2017 at 17:10
• @GeoffRobinson Things that hold for only finite groups is still interesting, thank you! Jan 13, 2017 at 17:12
• @RobertChamberlain The term "Baer radical" is also used for the set of elements $x$ of a group $G$ such that the cyclic subgroup $<x>$ is a subnormal subgroup in $G$: See page 61 of [Finiteness Conditions and Generalized Soluble Groups, Part 1 By Derek Robinson, Springer, 1970] books.google.com/… Jan 14, 2017 at 12:47

The Jacobson radical $\mathfrak{J}(G)$ of a group $G$ is defined by Reinhold Baer in [2] as the intersection of the maximal normal subgroups of $G$ (as noted by Baer the identity $G = \mathfrak{J}(G)$ holds if and only if $G$ has no maximal normal subgroup). His seminal article [2] was written in German and doesn't seem to be widely known. It contains plenty of interesting elementary results, some of which have been reproved multiple times by different authors. Here is a non-comprehensive list.

• $\mathfrak{J}(G/\mathfrak{J}(G)) = 1$.
• $\mathfrak{J}(G)$ is the set of all the elements which can be omitted from any set which generates $G$ as a normal subgroup, i.e., $\mathfrak{J}(G)$ is the set of elements $g \in G$ such for every $X \subset G$, $\langle X, g \rangle^G = G$ implies $\langle X \rangle^G = G$ [2, Satz 3.1.d].
• For any two groups $A$ and $B$, we have $\mathfrak{J}(A \times B) = \mathfrak{J}(A) \times \mathfrak{J}(B)$ [2, Folgerung 3.4].
• If $G$ is soluble then $[G, G] \subset \mathfrak{J}(G)$ [2, Folgerung 2.10].
• Assume that $\mathfrak{J}(G) \neq G$ and that the set of normal subgroups of $G/\mathfrak{J}(G)$ which are contained in $[G/\mathfrak{J}(G), G/\mathfrak{J}(G)]$ satisfies the minimal condition. Then a subset generates $G$ as a normal subgroup if and only if its image generates $G/[G, G]$ [2, Satz 6.4], see [5] for a generalization.

Of course, $\mathfrak{J}(G)$ is a characteristic subgroup of $G$ and it is not difficult to show that $\mathfrak{J}(G)$ contains the Frattini subgroup of $G$, provided that every simple quotient of $G$ has a maximal subgroup (see Corrigendum below).

I discovered the definition of the Jacobson/Baer radical $\mathfrak{J}(G)$ and some of its elementary properties when studying two generalizations of the Andrews-Curtis conjecture. The authors of [7, 8] refer to $\mathfrak{J}(G)$ as the $N$-Frattini subgroup of $G$ and denote it by $W(G)$. The letter $W$ primary alludes to the word "weight", i.e., the minimal number $w(G)$ of normal generators as commonly defined by knot theoricists, see this MO post for more about $w(G)$. But it could also be a(n) (un)conscious tribute to James Wiegold. In [5], the concept of Jacobson radical is further generalized to $\Omega$-groups for which the first two items above still hold, as well as some other properties [7, Lemma 4.1]. To echo Geoff Robinson's comment, it is proved in [7, Lemma 4.5] that a finite group $G$ is perfect if and only if $G/\mathfrak{J}(G)$ is the direct product of simple non-Abelian groups. The use of $\mathfrak{J}(G)$ is instrumental in the proof of the finitary Andrews-Curtis conjecture [7] and its quantitative enhancements [8].

In a preprint of mine, I made this humble observation about finitely generated groups: Any two $n$-tuples which generate $G$ as a normal subgroup can be related by a finite sequence of Andrews-Curtis moves if the two following hold.

• $n > w(G)$;
• $G/\mathfrak{J}(G)$ is Abelian, or finite, or a direct product of finitely many non-Abelian simple groups.

Corrigendum: Let $G$ be any group and let $M$ be a maximal normal subgroup of $G$. Lemma 4 of [1] (MR0122885) asserts that if $M$ is contained in some maximal subgroup of $G$, then $M$ contains the Frattini subgroup $\Phi(G)$ of $G$. As a result, $\Phi(G) \subset \mathfrak{J}(G)$ holds if every simple quotient of $G$ has a maximal subgroup, e.g., $G$ is finitely generated or $G$ is soluble.

The existence or non-existence of a simple group without maximal subgroups was an unsolved problem in 1970 when B. H. Neumann reviewed [1]. It was still an open problem in 1974 as the analogous problem for near simple group was unsolved at that time, see [3] (MR0347986).

The existence of an uncountable simple group without maximal subgroups was eventually established by Shelah in 1980 [4]. The existence of a countable simple group without maximal subgroups was established by Ol′shanskiĭ in 1991 [6, Theorem 35.3]. If $G$ is any of these two infinite simple groups, then we have $\Phi(G) = G$ and $\mathfrak{J}(G) = 1$ so that $\Phi(G) \not\subset \mathfrak{J}(G)$.

[1] V. Dlab and V. Kořínek, "The Frattini subgroup of a direct product of groups", 1960.
[2] R. Baer, "Der reduzierte Rang einer Gruppe", 1964.
[3] J. Riles, "The near Frattini subgroups of direct products of groups", 1974.
[4] S. Shelah, "On a problem of Kurosh, Jónsson groups, and applications", 1980.
[5] A. Rhemtulla, "Groups of finite weight", 1981.
[6] A. Ol′shanskiĭ, "Geometry of defining relations in groups", 1991.
[7] A. Borovik, A. Lubotzky, and A. Myasnikov, "The finitary Andrews-Curtis conjecture", 2005.
[8] R. Burns and D. Oancea, "Recalcitrance in groups II", 2012.

• This is exactly the kind of lost I was hoping for, thank you! Jan 13, 2017 at 23:52

In addition to applications to finite/finitely generated groups, it's also useful in the study of locally compact groups (taking a definition that only allows closed normal subgroups). Other names for it include the cosocle, the Mel'nikov subgroup or the normal Frattini subgroup.

In a connected Lie group $G$, $J(G)$ is the largest (not necessarily connected) soluble closed normal subgroup of $G$, and $G/J(G)$ is a direct product of simple Lie groups. Given the Gleason-Yamabe theorem, similar statements apply more generally to connected locally compact groups.

If $G$ is a profinite group, then every proper closed normal subgroup is contained in a maximal open normal subgroup, and $G/J(G)$ is the largest quotient that is a Cartesian product of finite simple groups. Moreover, the series $G > J(G) > J(J(G)) > \dots$ always has trivial intersection, so it can be a useful characteristic series, especially if the terms are known to have finite index (equivalently, if $J(H)$ has finite index for every open subgroup $H$). Zalesskii showed that if $G$ is an infinite profinite group and $J(H)$ has finite index for every open subgroup $H$, then $G$ has a just infinite quotient.

If $G$ is a compactly generated locally compact group with no infinite discrete quotient, then Caprace--Monod showed that there is a smallest cocompact normal subgroup $N$ of $G$, and $N/J(N)$ is generated topologically by a finite set of topologically simple closed normal subgroups, with $N > J(N)$ unless $N$ is connected and soluble.