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Let $G$ be a group. Let us say that $G$ satisfies a generalized identity of degree $n$ if there exist $a_1,a_2,\dots a_n \in G$ such that $$x^{a_1}x^{a_2}\dots x^{a_n}=1,$$ for all $x\in G$.

  1. Assume that $G$ has order $pq$, where $p\neq q$ are primes. Can $G$ satisfy a generalized identity of degree $p$?

If such a $G$ exist, then clearly $q$ should be greater than $p$. Less trivial, $q \mod p$ should not generate $\mathbb{Z}_p^{\times}$.

  1. A finitely generated soluble group which satisfies a generalized identity of an arbitrary degree $n$ is not necessarily finite (the infinite dihedral group satisfies an identity of degree $4$). More generally, there is an infinite f.g metabelian group which satisfies a generalized identity of degree $n^2$, for any integer $n\geq 2$.

Determine all the integers $n$, such that every f.g soluble group which satisfies a generalized identity of degree $n$ is finite.

(The set of these integers contains $2$ and $3$. And it contains all the primes if the first question has a negative answer. If I'm not mistaken, this set contains all the primes if one replaces "soluble" by "metabelian").

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    $\begingroup$ I don't understand your definition. If $a_1,\ldots,a_n\in G$, what does $x^{a_1}\cdots x^{a_n}$, $x\in G$ mean? $\endgroup$
    – David Hill
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    $\begingroup$ $x^a=a^{-1}xa$, is this sufficient? In your comment, you mean $x^{a_1}\dots x^{a_n}=1$,... $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 28, 2015 at 0:48

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Assume $G=\langle a,b:a^p=b^q=1,a^b=a^\lambda\rangle$ is a non-abelian group of order $pq$ ($p>q$). Suppose $G$ satisfies the following generalized identity of degree $k$, \begin{equation} x^{g_1}\cdots x^{g_k}=1.\quad(*) \end{equation} Taking modulo $G'$, one observe that $k$ is a multiple of $q$. Now, assume $g_i=a^{m_i}b^{n_i}$ for $i=1,\ldots,k$. From the above identity for $x=(b^j)^{a^i}$ ($j\neq0$), we obtain \begin{equation} (i+m_1)\lambda^{(k-1)j+n_1}+\cdots+(i+m_k)\lambda^{0j+n_k}\equiv0\pmod p. \end{equation} Hence, the following matrix equation arises by putting $j=1,\ldots,q-1$ in the above equation \begin{equation} \begin{bmatrix} \lambda^{k-1}&\cdots&\lambda&1\\ \lambda^{2(k-1)}&\cdots&\lambda^2&1\\ \vdots&\ddots&\vdots&\vdots\\ \lambda^{(q-1)(k-1)}&\cdots&\lambda^{q-1}&1\\ \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} (i+m_1)\lambda^{n_1}\\ (i+m_2)\lambda^{n_2}\\ \vdots\\ (i+m_k)\lambda^{n_k}\\ \end{bmatrix} \equiv0\pmod p. \end{equation} The null space of the left Vandermonde-like matrix is $k-q+1$. If $\#\{m_1,\ldots,m_k\}>1$, then the right column matrices generate a null-space of dimension at least two so that $k-q+1\geq2$ whence $k>q$. In case $\#\{m_1,\ldots,m_k\}=1$ we obtain \begin{equation} \begin{bmatrix} \lambda^{k-1}&\cdots&\lambda&1\\ \lambda^{2(k-1)}&\cdots&\lambda^2&1\\ \vdots&\ddots&\vdots&\vdots\\ \lambda^{(q-1)(k-1)}&\cdots&\lambda^{q-1}&1\\ \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} \lambda^{n_1}\\ \lambda^{n_2}\\ \vdots\\ \lambda^{n_k}\\ \end{bmatrix} \equiv0\pmod p. \end{equation} On the other hand, since $x=a$ satisfies the identity $(*)$, we get $\lambda^{n_1}+\cdots+\lambda^{n_k}\equiv0\pmod p$, from which together with the above matrix equation, it yields \begin{equation} \begin{bmatrix} 1&\cdots&1&1\\ \lambda^{k-1}&\cdots&\lambda&1\\ \vdots&\ddots&\vdots&\vdots\\ \lambda^{(q-1)(k-1)}&\cdots&\lambda^{q-1}&1\\ \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} \lambda^{n_1}\\ \lambda^{n_2}\\ \vdots\\ \lambda^{n_k}\\ \end{bmatrix} \equiv0\pmod p. \end{equation} The left hand side matrix is a Vandermonde matrix when $k=q$. Being non-invertible, it follows that $k>q$ in this case too. Therefore, we must have $k\geq2q$.

For $q=2$ we have $k=4$ since \begin{equation} xx^ax^{ba}x^b=1 \end{equation} for all $x\in G$. It is not difficult to see that for $q=3$ we have $k=9$ and \begin{equation} xx^bx^{b^2}x^{ba}x^{b^2a}x^ax^{b^2a^2}x^{a^2}x^{ba^2}=1 \end{equation} for all $x\in G$. In general, if $\pi=(0\ 1\ \cdots\ q-1)$, then \begin{equation} (x^{b^{\pi^0(0)}a^0}\cdots x^{b^{\pi^0(q-1)}a^0})\cdots(x^{b^{\pi^{q-1}(0)}a^{q-1}}\cdots x^{b^{\pi^{q-1}(q-1)}a^{q-1}})=1 \end{equation} for all $x\in G$ so that $k\leq q^2$. I believe $k=q^2$.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thank you so much and sorry for the delay. Quite elementary and ingenious argument. You mean that $k$ is the minimal degree of a possible identity, as $k$ can have arbitray large values (for instance consider any multiple of $qp$). $\endgroup$ Commented Sep 19, 2015 at 16:24

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