# Automorphisms of supergroups of non-coHopfian groups

In this question, I asked whether there existed groups $G$ with finitely presentable subgroups $H$ such that $gHg^{-1}$ is a proper subgroup of $H$ for some $g \in G$. Robin Chapman pointed out that the group of affine automorphisms of $\mathbb{Q}$ contains examples where $H \cong \mathbb{Z}$.

This leads me to the following more general question. A group $\Gamma$ is "coHopfian" if any injection $\Gamma \hookrightarrow \Gamma$ is an isomorphism. To put it another way, $\Gamma$ does not contain any proper subgroup isomorphic to itself. The canonical example of a non-coHopfian group is a free group $F_n$ on $n$ letters. Chapman's example exploits the fact that $F_1 \cong \mathbb{Z}$ contains proper subgroups $k \mathbb{Z}$ isomorphic to $\mathbb{Z}$.

Now let $\Gamma$ be a non-coHopfian group and let $\Gamma' \subset \Gamma$ be a proper subgroup with $\Gamma' \cong \Gamma$. Question : does there exist a group $\Gamma''$ such that $\Gamma \subset \Gamma''$ and an automorphism $\phi$ of $\Gamma''$ such that $\phi(\Gamma) = \Gamma'$? How about if we restrict ourselves to the cases where $\Gamma$ and $\Gamma''$ are finitely presentable? I expect that the answer is "no", and I'd be interested in conditions that would assure that it is "yes".

If such a $\Gamma''$ existed, then we could construct an example answering my linked-to question above by taking $G$ to be the semidirect product of $\Gamma''$ and $\mathbb{Z}$ with $\mathbb{Z}$ acting on $\Gamma''$ via $\phi$. This question thus can be viewed as asking whether Chapman's answer really used something special about $\mathbb{Z}$.

Let $\alpha: \Gamma\to\Gamma$ be an injection sending $\Gamma$ to $\Gamma'$. Then the $\Gamma''$ you're looking for is the infinite amalgamated product
$\cdots *_{\Gamma}\Gamma *_{\Gamma}*\Gamma*_{\Gamma}\cdots$
where, at each stage, $\Gamma$ maps to the left by the identity and to the right by $\alpha$. Now the 'shift' automorphism has the property that you want, and the semidirect product with $\mathbb{Z}$ that you suggest is just the ascending HNN extension of $\Gamma$ via $\alpha$.
• This was the original purpose of H,N&N defining HNN extensions. (They asked the question Given a group G and a pair of isomorphic subgroups H and H' of G, can we embed G into a group G' so that H and H' are conjugate in G'?'. Then they answered this (and a bunch of other embedding questions) by defining HNN extensions. [The paper is Embedding theorems for groups' J.LMS 24 (1949), 247-254.] – Daniel Groves Apr 6 '10 at 0:56
Effectively you have a group $\Gamma$ and a monomorphism $\phi:\Gamma\to\Gamma$ which is not a surjection. Take the direct limit of the sequence $(\Gamma_n)$ where each $\Gamma_n=\Gamma$ and each map from $\Gamma_n$ to $\Gamma_{n+1}$ is $\phi$. I think this direct limit is the group $\Gamma''$ you want.