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Dear All,

if $G$ is a group and $\langle a\rangle$ -- any its cyclic subgroup, is it true that there always exists a proper subgroup $H$ in $G$ with $G=\langle a\rangle H$? If "no", would it still be true for finite groups $G$?

Thank you!

P.S.: motivation comes from this -- one my colleague applied mathematician asked me if that would be true -- it somehow appears in his research, and I cannot see any counter-example to this.

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    $\begingroup$ Assuming you do want $H$ to be proper (otherwise this is silly), no: take $G=\mathbb Z/4\mathbb Z$ and $a$ the class of $2$. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 16, 2013 at 5:51
  • $\begingroup$ You are right! Please kill me somebody! $\endgroup$
    – Victor
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    $\begingroup$ You should reserve your death for something of more moment. :-) $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 16, 2013 at 5:55
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    $\begingroup$ Since this site is intended to be for research level problems, you should really ask questions like this on math.stackexchange $\endgroup$
    – Derek Holt
    Commented Feb 16, 2013 at 12:53
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    $\begingroup$ It is unfortunate that this was closed. I remember in my graduate student days that the same question for a higher rank lattice, say, a lattice in $SL_3({\mathbb R})$ was an unsolved problem (and was attributed to Robert Zimmer). $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 16, 2013 at 23:49

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One way to see many counterxamples for finite groups is to note that if $G$ has even order, then $G$ contains an element $a$ of order $2$. Any proper subgroup $H$ of $G$ with $G = \langle a \rangle H$ would have to be normal, since subgroups of index $2$ are always normal. Hence every non-trivial perfect finite group $G$ (of even order) provides a counterexample. In particular, every non-Abelian finite simple group (of even order) does. The parentheses are because every non-trivial perfect finite group does in fact have even order, but even without knowing that, there are plenty of explicit examples.

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