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Recently the paper

  • Adonai S. Sant'Anna, Otavio Bueno, Marcio P. P. de França, Renato Brodzinski, Flow: the Axiom of Choice is independent from the Partition Principle, arXiv:2010.03664

appeared on the arXiv, which claims that the authors' new theory, Flow, can prove the Partition Principle ("if $A$ is nonempty and surjects onto $B$, $B$ injects into $A$") but not the Axiom of Choice. If correct, this would resolve a long-open question in Set Theory (whether PP implies AC).

However, nowhere in the paper is the mentioned theory proved consistent (even relative to some LCA, which would be necessary as the paper claims their theory can interpret "ZF + there is a Grothendieck Universe") as far as I can tell. The axioms/principles that make up the theory seems to be dispersed throughout the paper. Definitions 7 and 10 (p13/p14) also seems to be self-referential, and no way of resolving self-referential definitions is discussed.

Therefore, I wonder if anyone on MO knows is the mentioned theory Flow consistent (relative to some LCA)?

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    $\begingroup$ The theory has been discussed somewhat on Twitter also, so some relevant information may appear there: twitter.com/AndresECaicedo1/status/1314431294676197377 $\endgroup$
    – Jem
    Commented Oct 9, 2020 at 16:33
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    $\begingroup$ I think that considering that this is a theory that is in the wild less than 24 hours, it's a bit unreasonable to expect an answer. $\endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Commented Oct 9, 2020 at 16:52
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    $\begingroup$ Edited to be "consistent relative to some LCA" (I don't particularly care which, as long as it's not known to be inconsistent with ZFC and already exists) - and I agree that a quick answer is unlikely, but there may be something relatively obvious that I've missed that helps resolve it quickly. $\endgroup$
    – Jem
    Commented Oct 9, 2020 at 16:57
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    $\begingroup$ @Nik Weaver Specifically, they prove [axioms F1-F11, F11T imply PP] and [axioms F1-F11, F11T and postulates Hyper-ZF-Sets and Hyperfunctions imply ¬AC], but do not prove that these systems themselves are consistent or provide models. $\endgroup$
    – Jem
    Commented Oct 9, 2020 at 17:04
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    $\begingroup$ Some thoughts on the paper: karagila.org/2020/flowing-to-conclusions $\endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Commented Oct 27, 2020 at 12:37

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I am one of the authors of this preprint. Concerning the Grothendieck Universe, my first answer is this. Some terms of Flow are called ZF-sets. Through the use of our restriction axiom we are able to define a term u which acts on all ZF-sets. That means x belongs (membership relation is defined from the concept of action in Flow) to u iff x is a ZF-set. Next we prove u satisfies all conditions of a Grothendieck Universe. Concerning self-referential definitions, that is something we intend to fix for a next version of this work. Somehow we missed that important issue. Sorry about that. Concerning consistency of Flow, we should be very careful: if Flow is consistent, then we have a model of ZF where PP holds but AC is not valid. We are still considering questions regarding relative consistency. Anyway, it has been a great pleasure to collect all those first criticisms to our work.


In response to a question in comments:

The idea of Theorem 55 is something like this. AC is equivalent to the statement that every set can be well-ordered. So, if we want to prove AC does not hold, we need to exhibit a ZF-set which cannot be well-ordered. We chose a hyperfunction psi. But an analogous proof can be done to certain well-founded ZF-sets (unless, obviously, we made some mistake - that is why this is just a preprint). We suppose psi can be well-ordered. That means it is possible to fix (to define) an injection from psi into some ordinal o. And that is supposed to be recursively definable in a similar way how Zermelo's theorem is proven. Zermelo's theorem takes into account AC to prove every set can be well-ordered. Instead of AC we have our F-Choice axiom. By using recursively F-Choice, every time we define an injection from a proper restriction of psi into some ordinal, in the next step of such a transfinite recursion we "loose information" about some terms which belong to psi that were previously fixed in the previous step. Some terms previously fixed are no longer fixed, and we simply do not know who are those terms. That happens because F-Choice axiom demands the existence of an injection g whose domain is a restriction of a given surjection f but such that g itself is no restriction of f. That is why the concept of lurking functions is quite important within our proposal. In Zermelo's theorem that is not an issue, since AC is used. All terms which were previously assigned to an ordinal by means of AC, keep their assignment during all next steps of transfinite recursion. Our motivation is our focus on functions rather than sets. We hope our F-Choice axiom is strong enough to grant PP but too weak to grant AC.

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    $\begingroup$ Welcome to MathOverflow! $\endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Commented Oct 9, 2020 at 23:19
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    $\begingroup$ You might mention the question of consistency in the abstract of future revisions. $\endgroup$
    – none
    Commented Oct 9, 2020 at 23:48
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    $\begingroup$ Rodrigo Freire, I agree with you. Thanks $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 10, 2020 at 0:14
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    $\begingroup$ Second, is the main idea of the proof seems to observe we cannot carry on transfinite recursion to define an injection $\psi\to o$ for all ordinals $o$. Does it ensure there is no injection from $\psi$ to $o$? There could be a weird way to impose a well-order of $\psi$, other than using transfinite recursion. $\endgroup$
    – Hanul Jeon
    Commented Oct 11, 2020 at 8:41
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    $\begingroup$ The point of Hanul Jeon, which I think is right, is that the following argument is unreasonable: - If a function $f$ wellordering $\psi$ cannot be defined by a transfinite induction, then there is no such function. The proof of theorem 55 seems to be based on this. $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 11, 2020 at 21:07

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