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Let $G$ be a group acting on a set $\Omega$ faithfully. Then 2-closure of $G$ denoted by $G^{(2)}$ is the largest subgroup of the symmetric group of $\Omega$ with the same orbits as $G$ on $\Omega\times\Omega$. Clearly $G\leq G^{(2)}$. If $G=G^{(2)}$ then $G$ is called 2-closed. I am collecting some group-theoretic properties of $G$ which inherited to $G^{(2)}$. For example, I know that if $G$ is abelian (p-group,nilpotent, or has odd order), then so is $G^{(2)}$. Also I am looking for (group-theoretic) properties of $G$ which makes it to be 2-closed. For example, I know that every semiregular permutation group is 2-closed. Also I guess that every cyclic permutation group is 2-closed. I know that the basic properties of closures of permutation groups are given in Wielandt's book, "Permutation groups through invariant relations and invariant functions, lectures given at The Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio, 1969", but unfortunately I dont have access it. Now my questions are requests are: 1) Which group-theoretic properties of $G$ inherited to $G^{(2)}$?(other than the above properties) For example, for which solvable groups $G$, $G^{(2)}$ is solvable? 2) Which group theoretic properties of $G$ make it 2-closed?(other than when $G$ is cyclic) 3) may it possible that one send me the file of Wielandt's book?

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    $\begingroup$ I can't answer your question, but there are certainly examples in which $G$ is solvable but $G^{(2)}$ is not. There is one of degree $16$ for example. $\endgroup$
    – Derek Holt
    Commented Apr 2, 2016 at 15:40
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    $\begingroup$ @Derek: You don't need to go as far as degree 16. -- Already the 2-closure of $G := \langle (1,2,3,4,5), (1,2,4,3) \rangle \cong {\rm C}_5 \rtimes {\rm C}_4$ is ${\rm S}_5$, and hence not solvable. $\endgroup$
    – Stefan Kohl
    Commented Apr 2, 2016 at 15:46
  • $\begingroup$ Dear Derek and Stefan, every 2 - transitive Solvable proper subgroup of a symmetric group is not 2 - closed. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 2, 2016 at 15:55
  • $\begingroup$ For some reason I was looking for an example with at least three orbits! $\endgroup$
    – Derek Holt
    Commented Apr 2, 2016 at 19:09
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    $\begingroup$ This seems a little broad to me. $\endgroup$
    – verret
    Commented Apr 3, 2016 at 0:12

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Let's call an abstract group $2$-closed if all of its faithful permutation representations are $2$-closed.

You observed that cyclic groups are $2$-closed.

Also a group $G$ for which the only faithful permutation representation is the regular representation must be $2$-closed, because in any faithful action there must be a regular orbit, so if $x$ is in this orbit then the stabilizer of $x$ in $G^{(2)}$ must also be trivial, so $G = G^{(2)}$.

The only finite groups with that property are cyclic groups of prime power order and (generalized) quaternion groups. (I am not sure about infinite examples, but the group ${\mathbb Z}_{p^\infty}$ is one such for each prime $p$.)

So the (generalized) quaternion groups $Q_{2^n}$ for $n \ge 3$ are $2$-closed and I think the direct product of $Q_{2^n}$ with any cyclic group of odd order is also $2$-closed.

I have not been able to think of any other finite examples. $Q_{2^n} \times C_2$ is not $2$-closed for example. But I would not care to make a conjecture about it, even for finite $p$-groups.

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  • $\begingroup$ Dear Derek, Thank you for your answer. May I have more details about your claims? $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 4, 2016 at 5:47
  • $\begingroup$ Does the property you mention in the 4th paragraph of your answer must be as follows: Every (faithful) permutation representation has a trivial point-stabilizer? $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 6, 2016 at 11:27
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    $\begingroup$ Yes that's equivalent to saying that at least one of its orbits must be regular. For finite groups, the claim in this paragraph follows from the standard result that the only finite $p$-groups with a unique subgroup of order $p$ are the cyclic and (generalized) quaternion groups. $\endgroup$
    – Derek Holt
    Commented Apr 6, 2016 at 12:02

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