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For a polynomial ideal $I\subset \mathbb{C}[x_1,x_2]$, let $D(I)$ be the smallest degree of any polynomial in $I$.

How slowly can $D(I^n)$ grow as a function of $n$? For example, if $D(I^n)\leq 1.01n$ for some $n$, does it imply that $I$ contains a linear polynomial?

Note that the single-variable case is trivial: $D(I^n)=n\cdot D(I)$.

I am interested in a more general situation than in the question, but the version is the simplest case where I am stuck.

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  • $\begingroup$ Do you know when $n=2$? that is, does $D(I^2)=2$ imply $D(I)=1$? $\endgroup$
    – YCor
    Commented Jun 19, 2015 at 20:40
  • $\begingroup$ @YCor No, I do not even know this for $n=2$. $\endgroup$
    – Boris Bukh
    Commented Jun 19, 2015 at 23:24

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Consider $I = (y- x^k, x^{k+1})$.

For $k>1$ this does not contain any linear functions. It contains $xy$ so $D(I)=2$. But I claim $y^{k+1} \in I^k$, so $D(I^k) = k+1$.

By the binomial theorem

$$ y^{k+1} = (y-x^k + x^k)^{k+1} = \sum_{i=0}^{k+1} \begin{pmatrix} k+1 \\ i \end{pmatrix} \left(y-x^k\right)^i x^{k (k+1-i) } $$

In the exponent:

$$k(k+1-i) =k^2 +k - ik = (k+1)(k-i) + i$$

so this is

$$(y-x^k)^{k+1} + \sum_{i=0}^{k} \begin{pmatrix} k+1 \\ i \end{pmatrix} x^i\left(y-x^k\right)^i \left(x^{k+1}\right)^{k-i} \in I^k$$

(Boris pointed out a flaw in my earlier argument, leading me to find this counterexample.)

In general, subadditivity shows $\lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{D(I^n)}{n}$ exists, and that any fixed value of $\frac{D(I^n)}{n}$ is at least this limit. So one version of this question is about how to compare $D(I)$ to this limit. Here we show the limit can go arbitrarily close to $1$ with $D(I)=2$. By adding random linear factors, the limit can get arbitrarily close to $D(I)-1$. But probably for larger $D(I)$ the limit can be less than $D(I)$ by even more than $1$.


Some lower bounds:

In the case where $I$ is radical, if $D(I) \geq 2$, then $D(I^n) \geq (3/2)n$ (and in fact $\lceil (3/2) n \rceil$ is achieved.) $V(I)$ must not be contained in any line, so it must contain $3$ noncolinear points, and we can assume that $I$ is the ideal of $3$ noncolinear points. Then $I^n$ is the ideal of functions vanishing of order $n$ at those $3$ points. This contains a function of degree $(3/2)n$, which is the product of powers of the lines through the points.

This is optimal, because given a polynomial $f$, which is the first line raised to the power $a$ times a polynomial of degree $d−a$, the polynomial of degree $d−a$ must intersect the two points on the first line with multiplicity $n−a$, so $d−a \geq 2(n−a)$ and if $d\leq (3/2)n$, $a \geq n/2$. Then the same is true for the multiplicity of the other $3$ lines, hence $d\geq 3n/2$.


Here's another interesting phenomenon. Take $I$ to be the ideal of $k (k+1) /2$ generic points. Then $D(I)= k$ by dimension counting. $I^n$ is the ideal of functions vanishing of order $n$ at $k(k+1)/2$ distinct points, which is an ideal of codimension $n (n+1)/2 \cdot k (k+1)/2$. This is less than $d (d+1)/2$ for $d$ approximately equal to $nk / \sqrt{2}$. So there is a degree $d$ polynomial in $I^n$, and $D(I^n)$ is asymptotically at most $nk/\sqrt{2}$.


I can show that if $D(I) \geq 2$, then $\lim_{n \to \infty} D(I^n)/ n> 1$. Take $I$ maximal with respect to the property $D(I) \geq 2$. Then each local factor of $I$ at a point of $V(I)$ either contains two linear functions, or is maximal with respect to the property of containing one linear function, and hence looks like $(y, x^2)$, or is maximal with respect to the property of containing no linear functions, and hence looks.

What do the last kind of ideals look like? There must be some length $1$ extension, which must contain some linear function $y$, and so it is of the form $(x^k,y)$ for some $n$. Length one extensions of that have the form $(x^{k+1}, xy, y^2, ax^k+ by)$ and we must have $a \neq 0$. If $b =0$, the ideal contains is contained in $(x^2, xy, y^2)$, which is one example of a maximal ideal with this property. Otherwise by scaling $y$, we may put it in the form of my example.

Case 1: $I= (x^2, xy, y^2)$. An element in $I^n$ vanishes to order $2n$ on $I$, hence has degree at least $2n$.

Case 2: $I = (y-x^k, x^{k+1})$. An element in $I^n$ intersects $y-x^k$ with multiplicity $n (k+1)$, hence has degree at least $n (k+1)/k$. Having $(y-x^k)$ divide the element doesn't help because it has degree $k$ but only removes $k+1$ of the intersection.

Case 3: $I$ contained in $(y, x^2)$. Then $I$ must also vanish somewhere else on the line $y=0$. If the degree is at most $(3/2)n$ the intersection multiplicity with the line $x=0$ is at least $2n$ so by the same logic as in the reduced case the polynomial contains a factor of $x^{n/2}$. The remainder of the polynomial must vanish to order $n$ at the other point on the line $y=0$ hence have degree at least $n$, so the minimum is $(3/2)n$.

Case 4: $I$ is contained in none of these and is maximal, hence reducd. We already did this case.

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  • $\begingroup$ I think that the other part (namely that if $V(I)$ is not contained in a line then there is a good inequality, which you just erased) is worth keeping in the post. $\endgroup$
    – YCor
    Commented Jun 20, 2015 at 16:10
  • $\begingroup$ Nice! I believe that your deleted argument shows that if $D(I)\geq 2$, then $\lim D(I^n)/n>1$. So, as @YCor says, it might be worth undeleting it. $\endgroup$
    – Boris Bukh
    Commented Jun 20, 2015 at 16:20
  • $\begingroup$ @BorisBukh Did everything you two wanted and more. $\endgroup$
    – Will Sawin
    Commented Jun 20, 2015 at 16:56
  • $\begingroup$ I'm confused by the last section where you say $D(I)\ge 2$ implies $\lim D(I^n)/n>1$, since it contradicts the very first statement of your post. $\endgroup$
    – YCor
    Commented Jun 20, 2015 at 17:28
  • $\begingroup$ @YCor The limit for any fixed $I$. In that I am varying $I$. $\endgroup$
    – Will Sawin
    Commented Jun 20, 2015 at 18:15
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Proof that $D(I^2)=2 \Rightarrow D(I)=1:$ Since $k=$ℂ is algebraically closed, every maximal ideal of $k[x,y]$ is of the form $(x-a,y-b)$, so by a translation of coordinates (which preserves degrees) we may assume $I \subset (x,y)$. Replacing generators of $I$ by $k$-linear combinations, we may assume that at most 2 generators (say, $u,v$) have degree=1 terms, and furthermore, that the highest terms of $u,v$ in the monomial ordering by (total degree, $y$-degree, $x$-degree) are different. Now if $I^2$ contains a polynomial of degree=2 then it must contain a $k$-linear combination of $u^2,uv,v^2$ of degree=2, and the highest terms of $u^2,uv,v^2$ in the monomial ordering are different, so at least one of $u,v$ has degree=1.

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    $\begingroup$ This argument also shows that $D(I^n)\geq n$ for $I$ proper and equality implies $I$ has a linear factor. $\endgroup$
    – Will Sawin
    Commented Jun 20, 2015 at 13:20

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