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Is it possible to turn an inaccessible cardinal in $V$ to a successor of a singular cardinal in some forcing extension?

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  • $\begingroup$ Why not first collapse the inaccessible to the successor of a regular $\lambda$, and then kill the regularity of $\lambda$? (Or did you want the cardinal to be singular in $V$?) $\endgroup$ Commented Sep 7, 2018 at 23:09
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    $\begingroup$ Is the singular cardinal already given as singular? Or is it going to become singular later on? $\endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Commented Sep 8, 2018 at 7:48
  • $\begingroup$ mathoverflow.net/questions/184216/… mathoverflow.net/questions/178112/… $\endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Commented Sep 8, 2018 at 10:51
  • $\begingroup$ Yeah I had the singular cardinal in V in mind. $\endgroup$
    – Otto
    Commented Sep 8, 2018 at 13:02
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    $\begingroup$ I have no idea how you'd accept Mohammad's answer if it is based on starting with a cardinal which is regular in V and then moving to a larger model. $\endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Commented Sep 8, 2018 at 14:35

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There are several ways to do it:

One is suggested by Noah in his comment.

Another one is to use the supercompact extender based Prikry forcing of Merimovich. See Supercompact extender based Prikry forcing.

There is also another idea due to Magidor which does the job. See On a theorem of Magidor.

Remark 1. Note that in all of the above situations, the cardinal which is becoming singular is assumed to be supercompact in the ground model.

Remark 2. Using the above ideas and by finding suitable inner models of the final extension, in each case, one can find a pair $(V_1, V_2)$ of generic extensions of the ground model in which $\kappa$ is singular in $V_1$, $\lambda$ in inaccessible in $V_1$ and in $V_2$, $\lambda=\kappa^+$.

Remark 3. Let me show that some large cardinals are needed to get the result. Assume $V \subset W$ are such that $V \models'' \lambda > \kappa$ is inaccessible'' and $W \models''\kappa$ is singular and $\lambda=\kappa^+$''.

Assume there is no core model for a measurable cardinal and let $K$ be the Dodd-Jensen core model. Pick some $V$-regular cardinal $\mu \in (\kappa, \lambda)$. Then $W \models``cf(\mu)=\theta < \kappa$''. Let $A \subset \mu, otp^W(A)=\theta$ and $sup(A)=\mu.$ By the covering lemma, there exists $B \in K$ with $A \subset B \subset \mu$ and $|B|^W = max\{ \aleph_1, \theta \}$. But note that then $|B|^K < \kappa,$ so $K \models`` cf(\mu) < \mu$, a contradiction.

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    $\begingroup$ Using the weak covering lemma, you can conclude that a Woodin cardinal is required (otherwise any successor of singular in $V$ is a successor cardinal in the core model $K$). Monroe Eskew's comment shows that a Woodin cardinal is sufficient. $\endgroup$
    – Yair Hayut
    Commented Sep 9, 2018 at 13:44

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