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Let $(X,d)$ be a metric space. If set $A\subseteq X$, let $H^{\alpha}$ be the $\alpha$-dimensional Hausdorff measure on $A$, where $\alpha\in[0,2]$ and $\text{dim}_{\text{H}}(A)$ is the Hausdorff dimension of set $A$.

Motivation: If the set $A\subseteq[0,1]\times[0,1]$, I would like to measure set $A$'s deviation from a uniform subset $A^{\prime}$ of $[0,1]\times[0,1]$ with Hausdorff dimension $\alpha$, where:

If set $A^{\prime}\subseteq[0,1]\times[0,1]$ has Hausdorff dimension $\alpha$ less than $2$; for all real $x_1,x_2\in J_n$ where sequence of sets $(J_n)_{n\in\mathbb{N}}=(\left\{1/n,2/n,3/n,\cdot\cdot\cdot,1\right\})_{n\in\mathbb{N}}$, if $0\le x_1<x_2\le 1$ and $\mu$ is the counting measure where:

$$\mu^{\star}(A)=\begin{cases} 1/\mu(A) & \mu(A)<+\infty\\ 0 & \mu(A)=+\infty \end{cases}$$

with $\mu^{\star}(A)< x_2-x_1\le 1$; we get $A^{\prime}$ is uniform in $[0,1]\times[0,1]$, when for $j\in\mathbb{N}$ and $j< n$, the number of squares $[x_1,x_2]\times[x_1,x_2]$ with area $j^2/n^2$ satisfying:

$$H^{\alpha}(([x_1,x_2]\times[x_1,x_2])\cap A^{\prime})=H^{\alpha}(\text{dom}(A^{\prime})){H}^{\alpha}(\text{range}(A^{\prime}))(x_2-x_1)^2$$ divided by the total # of squares with area $j^2/n^2$ approaches $1$ as $n,j\to\infty$ and $j/n\to 0$.

Moreover, I want to define a measure of uniformity to be between (and including) zero and one (or zero and infinity) such that the larger the measure, the smaller the non-uniformity.

Question: How do we define such a measure?

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    $\begingroup$ 13 edits is getting ridiculous. It gives off the vibe that you are using edits to try to keep this on the front page, which is not appropriate. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 22, 2023 at 16:52
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    $\begingroup$ There are the general stackexchange rules, and there are also community norms. MO culture discourages excessive editing, and encourages you to be thoughtful before you post and get it right the first time (so as to not waste people's time). If you go and browse through well-received questions here, you'll see that they typically have at most one or two edits beyond the initial post. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 22, 2023 at 17:27
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    $\begingroup$ It is also the case that not all questions are going to get answers. This even includes well-received questions; for instance, I asked the following question 13 years ago and still don't know the answer (even though it is decently upvoted): mathoverflow.net/questions/38413/… $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 22, 2023 at 17:29
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    $\begingroup$ I really think the constant editing has to stop. Take this as a lesson for the future: don't post something until you have spent time polishing it into its final form. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 22, 2023 at 22:06
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    $\begingroup$ (i) What do you mean by "uniformity for $A$ w.r.t a subset uniform in $[0,1]\times[0,1]$"? In particular, what do you mean by "a subset uniform in $[0,1]\times[0,1]$"? (ii) In "$\alpha<\text{dim}_{\text{H}}(A)$", what is $\alpha$? $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 26, 2023 at 19:37

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Here is another possible approach, perhaps closer to what the OP had in mind.

Let $S:=[0,1]^2$ be the unit square. "Partition" $S$ naturally into four congruent squares $S_{1,j}$ (with side length $1/2$ each), where $j=1,\dots,4$; the quotation marks are used here because the $S_{1,j}$'s will have some common boundary points. Next, "partition" each $S_{1,j}$ naturally into four congruent squares (with side length $1/2^2$ each), so that we get $4^2$ squares $S_{2,j}$ for $j=1,\dots,4^2$. Continue doing so, so that at the $k$th step we get $4^k$ squares $S_{k,j}$ for $j=1,\dots,4^k$, for each $k=1,2,\dots$.

Take any subset $A$ of $S$. For each $k=1,2,\dots$ and each $j=1,\dots,4^k$, let $$A_{k,j}:=(A\cap S_{k,j})-s_{k,j},$$ where $s_{k,j}$ is the southwest vertex of the square $S_{k,j}$, so that $A_{k,j}\subseteq S_k:=2^{-k}S$.

Suppose that for each $k$ we have a "measure" $D_k$ of dissimilarity for subsets of $S_k$, so that for any two subsets $B$ and $C$ of $S_k$ we have a nonnegative real number $D_k(B,C)$, which is the greater the more "dissimilar" $B$ and $C$ are (and is $0$ if $B=C$); here the term "measure" is used in the general sense, not necessarily in the sense of measure theory. For instance, $D_k(B,C)$ may depend on the Hausdorff distance between $B$ and $C$ or on some "measure" of the symmetric difference of the sets $B$ and $C$ or on some combination thereof.

Then the distance of the set $A$ from uniformity can be defined by the formula $$D(A):=\sum_{k=1}^\infty\frac1{L^k}\sum_{j=1}^{4^k}\sum_{m=1}^{4^k} \frac{D_k(A_{k,j},A_{k,m})}{1+D_k(A_{k,j},A_{k,m})},$$ where $L$ is a real number $>16$ (to ensure the convergence of the series). Then $D(A)$ will be small if, for "most" levels $k$ of "zooming", "most" of the intersections of the set $A$ with all the "$k$-level" small squares $S_{k,j}$ "look similar" to one another. (Of course, $D(A)$ will depend on the choices of $L$ and the dissimilarity "measures" $D_k$.)

For instance, for any $L$ and any $D_k$'s we have $D(S)=0$ -- of course, the unit square $S$ is at distance $0$ from uniformity (in itself).

As another example, for the uniform grid $G_n$ (defined in the previous answer) with $n=2^K$ for a natural $K$, any real $L>16$, and any $D_k$'s we have $$D(G_n)\le \sum_{k=K+1}^\infty\frac1{L^k}\,16^k =Cn^{-p}\to0$$ as $n=2^K\to\infty$, where $C:=\dfrac{16}{L-16}$ and $p:=\log_2\dfrac L{16}$. So, we see that $G_n$ is close to uniformity for large $n$, even though the Hausdorff dimension of $G_n$ is $0$ for all $n$ (in big contrast with the Hausdorff dimension of $S$, which is $2$). Thus, again we see that the Hausdorff dimension can hardly have anything to do with the idea of uniformity.

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  • $\begingroup$ Do you think such a measure has (a) an application and (b) is worth publishing? $\endgroup$
    – Arbuja
    Commented Jul 10, 2023 at 2:34
  • $\begingroup$ If so, I might no be able to publish due to my lack of knowledge in the field; however, you might know someone who can. $\endgroup$
    – Arbuja
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    $\begingroup$ @DavisJohnson : I don't think this is worth publishing and, unfortunately, I don't see a good application. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 10, 2023 at 12:40
  • $\begingroup$ A person on Reddit wanted to know if it was possible for the measure to differentiate between a “uniform” set and a set with “low discrepancy” from uniformity. $\endgroup$
    – Arbuja
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    $\begingroup$ I cannot possibly respond to all users on all social networks. If you have an additional question, post it separately. In this case, though, I don't know what a ""uniform" set" could possibly mean, and I don't think it exists at all. I think we can only have sets close to uniformity, but not uniform in any reasonable sense. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 12, 2023 at 1:10
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Responding to the latest comment by the OP: "How would you suggest measuring the uniformity of measurable subsets of the unit square?" :

  1. I think the idea of uniformity has hardly anything to do with the Hausdorff dimension (HD). E.g., I think almost everyone would agree that the entire unit square $S:=[0,1]^2$ (of HD$=2$) is maximally uniform (in itself), whereas a fine uniform grid of $n^2$ points (of HD$=0$) in $S$ is approximately uniform in $S$ if $n$ is large. This, again, suggests that the HD has little (if anything) to do with the idea of uniformity.

  2. Moreover, it makes more sense to talk, not about subsets of $S$, but about probability distributions over $S$ being close to uniform -- that is, to the uniform probability distribution over $S$.
    In particular, if $A$ is a finite subset of $S$, we can attach a weight/probability mass $w(x)>0$ to each $x\in A$ so that $\sum_{x\in A}w(x)=1$, and thus we get a probability distribution over $S$ supported on $A$. This way, we can identify any finite subset $A$ of $S$ with the uniform probability distribution supported on $A$. This also allows us to consider multisets $B$ in $S$, by giving each of the (possibly repeated) elements $x$ of $B$ the weight $w(x)$ proportional to the multiplicity of $x$ in $B$. Also, we can, somewhat similarly, identify a measurable subset $A$ of $S$ of positive Lebesgue measure with the uniform distribution over $A$. Similarly we can do for, say, rectifiable curve images $C\subset S$, to identify $C$ with the uniform distribution over $C$ in the length sense; e.g., we can identify a circle contained in $S$ with the uniform distribution over the circle. Yet more generally, for any subset $M$ of $S$, if we can somehow define the uniform distribution over $M$, we can identify $M$ with that uniform distribution.

  3. Anyhow, if $U$ denotes the uniform probability distribution over $S$ and $P$ is any probability distribution over $S$, then we can measure the closeness of $P$ to $U$ by any probability metric (say, by one metrizing the weak convergence of probability distributions over $S$). For instance, we can use the Wasserstein distance $W_1(P,U)$ from $P$ to $U$ (based, say, on the Euclidean distance between points of $S$), which is the cost of the optimal transportation of the probability mass distribution $P$ to the uniform probability mass distribution $U$. So, e.g., if $P_n$ is the uniform distribution on the uniform grid $G_n:=\{(\frac in,\frac jn)\colon i=0,\dots,n,\;j=0,\dots,n\}$ in $S$, then $W_1(P_n,U)\asymp\frac1n$, which is small for large $n$ -- that is, the uniform distribution on the uniform grid $G_n$ is close to uniformity if $n$ is large; this seems to make sense. (Recalling that any finite subset $A$ of $S$ can be identified with the uniform probability distribution supported on $A$, we can now also say that the uniform grid $G_n$ itself is close to uniformity if $n$ is large.)

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  • $\begingroup$ You are probably correct; however, I hope you can have a look at my post one last time for a definition of uniformity. $\endgroup$
    – Arbuja
    Commented Jun 29, 2023 at 2:13
  • $\begingroup$ If $\mu(A)=+\infty$, I want $1/\mu(A)=0$ despite being undefined. Does my definition of uniformity make sense? $\endgroup$
    – Arbuja
    Commented Jun 29, 2023 at 2:50
  • $\begingroup$ @DavisJohnson : I think you have more problems after the latter edit. For one thing, you still some undefined (and possibly nonexistent) "uniform subset $A'$". See my second answer, though. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 29, 2023 at 3:35

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