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Here's a guess at what goes wrong for general schemes. For simplicity, let X be a non-affine scheme; say it's the union of two affines: A1 and A2 (although I'm actually thinking of $\mathbb A^2 \backslash {0}$), and let's try to define the product $Y=\prod_{i=1}^\infty X$.

Well, we should be able to describe Y as a union of affines (that are glued along some maps). What should these be? There are two "obvious answers". If we carry over our intuition from topology, these affinesthe natural building blocks should have the form $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is one of $A_1, A_2$, or $X$ and all but finitely many $U_i$-s are equal to $X$. However, these products are not affine (they aren't really defined as schemes, but since $X$ is not affine, they are even "intuitively" not affine).

The second "obvious answer" would be to take products $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is one ofeither $A_1, A_2$$A_1$ or $A_2$. These would be affine, but this feels like a wrong answer,: it would be like using the box topology on an infinite product. They shouldn't even be open in Y (I know, this is rather far-fetched since Y is not yet defined). Also, if you tried to glue Y out of these, I doubt you'd be able to define gluing maps (they are maps from an infinite product to an infinite product - I feel this is bad, but can categorically minded people confirm?).

So far, I don't have an actual proofproof that the second answer is bad, or that you couldn't define Y with some other affines, but I think there should be a good reason (the same reason as to why we use the product topology for topological spaces, though it eludes me at the moment).

Here's a guess at what goes wrong for general schemes. For simplicity, let X be a non-affine scheme; say it's the union of two affines: A1 and A2 (although I'm actually thinking of $\mathbb A^2 \backslash {0}$), and let's try to define the product $Y=\prod_{i=1}^\infty X$.

Well, we should be able to describe Y as a union of affines (that are glued along some maps). What should these be? There are two "obvious answers". If we carry over our intuition from topology, these affines should have the form $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is one of $A_1, A_2$, or $X$ and all but finitely many $U_i$-s are equal to $X$. However, these are not affine (they aren't really defined as schemes, but since $X$ is not affine, they are even "intuitively" not affine).

The second "obvious answer" would be to take products $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is one of $A_1, A_2$. These would be affine, but this feels like a wrong answer, it would be like using the box topology on an infinite product. They shouldn't even be open in Y (I know, this is rather far-fetched since Y is not yet defined). Also, if you tried to glue Y out of these, I doubt you'd be able to define gluing maps (they are maps from an infinite product to an infinite product - I feel this is bad, but can categorically minded people confirm?).

So far, I don't have an actual proof that the second answer is bad, or that you couldn't define Y with some other affines, but I think there should be a good reason (the same reason as to why we use the product topology for topological spaces, though it eludes me at the moment).

Here's a guess at what goes wrong for general schemes. For simplicity, let X be a non-affine scheme; say it's the union of two affines: A1 and A2 (although I'm actually thinking of $\mathbb A^2 \backslash {0}$), and let's try to define the product $Y=\prod_{i=1}^\infty X$.

Well, we should be able to describe Y as a union of affines (that are glued along some maps). What should these be? There are two "obvious answers". If we carry over our intuition from topology, the natural building blocks should have the form $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is one of $A_1, A_2$, or $X$ and all but finitely many $U_i$-s are equal to $X$. However, these products are not affine (they aren't really defined as schemes, but since $X$ is not affine, they are even "intuitively" not affine).

The second "obvious answer" would be to take products $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is either $A_1$ or $A_2$. These would be affine, but this feels like a wrong answer: it would be like using the box topology on an infinite product. They shouldn't even be open in Y (I know, this is rather far-fetched since Y is not yet defined). Also, if you tried to glue Y out of these, I doubt you'd be able to define gluing maps (they are maps from an infinite product to an infinite product - I feel this is bad, but can categorically minded people confirm?).

So far, I don't have an actual proof that the second answer is bad, or that you couldn't define Y with some other affines, but I think there should be a good reason (the same reason as to why we use the product topology for topological spaces, though it eludes me at the moment).

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Here's a guess at what goes wrong for general schemes. For simplicity, let X be a non-affine scheme; say it's the union of two affines: A1 and A2 (although I'm actually thinking of $\mathbb A^2 \backslash {0}$), and let's try to define the product $Y=\prod_{i=1}^\infty X$.

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  However, these sets are not affine (they aren't really defined as schemes, but since X isn't$X$ is not affine, they are even "intuitively" not affine). If

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So far, I don't want to begin to imagine how tohave an actual proof that the second answer is bad, or that you couldn't define Y with some other affines, but I think there should be a good reason (the same reason as to why we use the gluing mapsproduct topology for topological spaces, though it eludes me at the moment).

Here's a guess at what goes wrong for general schemes. For simplicity, let X be a non-affine scheme; say it's $\mathbb A^2 \backslash {0}$, and let's try to define the product $Y=\prod_{i=1}^\infty X$.

Recall that the affine subsets of X form an open basis of the topology. What should be the open basis for the topology of $Y$? Well, if we carry over our intuition from topology they should have the form $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is either an affine subset of X, or X itself, and all but finitely many $U_i$-s are equal to $X$.

  However, these sets are not affine since X isn't. If $Y$ is to be a scheme, the affines should form an open basis, giving us a problem. I think that if we give the product the box topology, then $Y$ could be given a scheme structure, but then it wouldn't be a topological product, which would probably lead to trouble. Also, I don't want to begin to imagine how to define the gluing maps.

Here's a guess at what goes wrong for general schemes. For simplicity, let X be a non-affine scheme; say it's the union of two affines: A1 and A2 (although I'm actually thinking of $\mathbb A^2 \backslash {0}$), and let's try to define the product $Y=\prod_{i=1}^\infty X$.

Well, we should be able to describe Y as a union of affines (that are glued along some maps). What should these be? There are two "obvious answers". If we carry over our intuition from topology, these affines should have the form $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is one of $A_1, A_2$, or $X$ and all but finitely many $U_i$-s are equal to $X$. However, these are not affine (they aren't really defined as schemes, but since $X$ is not affine, they are even "intuitively" not affine).

The second "obvious answer" would be to take products $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is one of $A_1, A_2$. These would be affine, but this feels like a wrong answer, it would be like using the box topology on an infinite product. They shouldn't even be open in Y (I know, this is rather far-fetched since Y is not yet defined). Also, if you tried to glue Y out of these, I doubt you'd be able to define gluing maps (they are maps from an infinite product to an infinite product - I feel this is bad, but can categorically minded people confirm?).

So far, I don't have an actual proof that the second answer is bad, or that you couldn't define Y with some other affines, but I think there should be a good reason (the same reason as to why we use the product topology for topological spaces, though it eludes me at the moment).

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Here's a guess at what goes wrong for general schemes. For simplicity, let X be a non-affine scheme; say it's the union of two affines: A1 and A2 (although I'm actually thinking of $\mathbb A^2 \backslash {0}$), and let's try to define the product $Y=\prod_{i=1}^\infty X$.

Recall that the affine subsets of X form an open basis of the topology. What should be the open subsetsbasis for the topology of $Y$? Well, if we carry over our intuition from topology they should have the form $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is oneeither an affine subset of $A_1, A_2$X, or $X$X itself, and all but finitely many $U_i$-s are equal to $X$.

However, these sets are not affine, and if since X isn't. If $Y$ is to be a scheme, the affines should form an open basis, giving us a problem. I think that if we give the product the box topology, then $Y$ could be given a scheme structure, but then it wouldn't be a topological product, which would probably lead to trouble. Also, I don't want to begin to imagine how to define the gluing maps.

Here's a guess at what goes wrong for general schemes. For simplicity, let X be a non-affine scheme; say it's the union of two affines: A1 and A2 (although I'm actually thinking of $\mathbb A^2 \backslash {0}$), and let's try to define the product $Y=\prod_{i=1}^\infty X$.

What should be the open subsets of $Y$? Well, if we carry over our intuition from topology they should have the form $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is one of $A_1, A_2$, or $X$ and all but finitely many $U_i$-s are equal to $X$.

However, these sets are not affine, and if $Y$ is to be a scheme, the affines should form an open basis, giving us a problem. I think that if we give the product the box topology, then $Y$ could be given a scheme structure, but then it wouldn't be a topological product, which would probably lead to trouble. Also, I don't want to begin to imagine how to define the gluing maps.

Here's a guess at what goes wrong for general schemes. For simplicity, let X be a non-affine scheme; say it's $\mathbb A^2 \backslash {0}$, and let's try to define the product $Y=\prod_{i=1}^\infty X$.

Recall that the affine subsets of X form an open basis of the topology. What should be the open basis for the topology of $Y$? Well, if we carry over our intuition from topology they should have the form $U_1 \times U_2 \times \ldots$ where each $U_i$ is either an affine subset of X, or X itself, and all but finitely many $U_i$-s are equal to $X$.

However, these sets are not affine since X isn't. If $Y$ is to be a scheme, the affines should form an open basis, giving us a problem. I think that if we give the product the box topology, then $Y$ could be given a scheme structure, but then it wouldn't be a topological product, which would probably lead to trouble. Also, I don't want to begin to imagine how to define the gluing maps.

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