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In the configuration space of 4 points in $\mathbb R^3$, the subspace of isosceles trapezoids has codimension three. So on a generic knot, you'd expect a 1-parameter (possibly empty) family of isosceles trapezoids whose vertices sit on the knot.

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Regarding your question about inscribed rectangles, I doubt there's a way to extract an invariant of knots from this. Generically a knot has only finitely many inscribed rectangles, but 1-parameter families of inscribed rectangles can degenerate, allowing two edges to come together.

At this degeneracy you have a configuration of two tangent vectors on the knot, where the vectors are parallel and the base-points are separated by an orthogonal vector. You can check that in the configuration space of two points along the knot, such configurations are co-dimension 3. So in general, a 1-parameter family of knots can have such degeneracies, and this would allow for a 1-parameter family of inscribed rectangles to collapse, allowing for an individual inscribed rectangle to slide-off the knot via a 1-parameter family of knots.

It's possible you can find a correction-term -- when the rectangle slides off the knot, perhaps there's another corresponding thing to count. But it's not clear to me what that should be.

As a concrete example -- consider a type-2 Reidemeister move, when you have two parallel strands but before you cross them. If you were to apply a type-1 Reidemeister move to one of the strands, you would create an inscribed rectangle, one for every twist. So inscribed rectangles might be a non-diagrammatic analogue to writhe of a knot diagram.

In the configuration space of 4 points in $\mathbb R^3$, the subspace of isosceles trapezoids has codimension three. So on a generic knot, you'd expect a 1-parameter (possibly empty) family of isosceles trapezoids whose vertices sit on the knot.

edit:

Regarding your question about inscribed rectangles, I doubt there's a way to extract an invariant of knots from this. Generically a knot has only finitely many inscribed rectangles, but 1-parameter families of inscribed rectangles can degenerate, allowing two edges to come together.

At this degeneracy you have a configuration of two tangent vectors on the knot, where the vectors are parallel and the base-points are separated by an orthogonal vector. You can check that in the configuration space of two points along the knot, such configurations are co-dimension 3. So in general, a 1-parameter family of knots can have such degeneracies, and this would allow for a 1-parameter family of inscribed rectangles to collapse, allowing for an individual inscribed rectangle to slide-off the knot via a 1-parameter family of knots.

It's possible you can find a correction-term -- when the rectangle slides off the knot, perhaps there's another corresponding thing to count. But it's not clear to me what that should be.

In the configuration space of 4 points in $\mathbb R^3$, the subspace of isosceles trapezoids has codimension three. So on a generic knot, you'd expect a 1-parameter (possibly empty) family of isosceles trapezoids whose vertices sit on the knot.

edit:

Regarding your question about inscribed rectangles, I doubt there's a way to extract an invariant of knots from this. Generically a knot has only finitely many inscribed rectangles, but 1-parameter families of inscribed rectangles can degenerate, allowing two edges to come together.

At this degeneracy you have a configuration of two tangent vectors on the knot, where the vectors are parallel and the base-points are separated by an orthogonal vector. You can check that in the configuration space of two points along the knot, such configurations are co-dimension 3. So in general, a 1-parameter family of knots can have such degeneracies, and this would allow for a 1-parameter family of inscribed rectangles to collapse, allowing for an individual inscribed rectangle to slide-off the knot via a 1-parameter family of knots.

It's possible you can find a correction-term -- when the rectangle slides off the knot, perhaps there's another corresponding thing to count. But it's not clear to me what that should be.

As a concrete example -- consider a type-2 Reidemeister move, when you have two parallel strands but before you cross them. If you were to apply a type-1 Reidemeister move to one of the strands, you would create an inscribed rectangle, one for every twist. So inscribed rectangles might be a non-diagrammatic analogue to writhe of a knot diagram.

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In the configuration space of 4 points in $\mathbb R^3$, the subspace of isosceles trapezoids has codimension three. So on a generic knot, you'd expect a 1-parameter (possibly empty) family of isosceles trapezoids whose vertices sit on the knot.

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Regarding your question about inscribed rectangles, but do they actually occur -- I thinkdoubt there's a (?maybe?) simple answer yes. A sketch ofway to extract an argument appears below but it has some gapsinvariant of knots from this.

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At this degeneracy you have a parallelconfiguration of two tangent vector which isvectors on plane (!) orthogonal to the mid-point of the secant (!). You get these by finding (non-regular) planar diagrams of the knot, where there is a "cusp" type singularity (corresponding to the intermediate step in a Reidemeister 1 move) together with a regular doublevectors are parallel and the base-point. Edit: technically that's notpoints are separated by an argument that such exist but it seems that since there's generically such a large family of these, one of them should satisfy the (!) conditionorthogonal vector.

It's a fairly elementary transversality argument to say You can check that in a neighbourhood (in the sense of the compactified configuration space of 4two points onalong the knot), such configurations are co-dimension 3. So in general, a 1-parameter family of that "degenerate" isosceles trapezoidknots can have such degeneracies, there isand this would allow for a 1-parameter family of genuine ones that approximateinscribed rectangles to collapse, allowing for an individual inscribed rectangle to slide-off the degenerate oneknot via a 1-parameter family of knots.

Well, I suspect such isoceles trapezoids always exist butIt's possible you can find a correction-term -- when the above argument has some holes in itrectangle slides off the knot, perhaps there's another corresponding thing to count. But it's not clear to me what that should be.

In the configuration space of 4 points in $\mathbb R^3$, the subspace of isosceles trapezoids has codimension three. So on a generic knot, you'd expect a 1-parameter (possibly empty) family of isosceles trapezoids whose vertices sit on the knot.

Hmm, but do they actually occur -- I think there's a (?maybe?) simple answer yes. A sketch of an argument appears below but it has some gaps.

A degenerate isosceles trapezoids on a knot (when two of the points come together) is a secant together with a parallel tangent vector which is on plane (!) orthogonal to the mid-point of the secant (!). You get these by finding (non-regular) planar diagrams of the knot where there is a "cusp" type singularity (corresponding to the intermediate step in a Reidemeister 1 move) together with a regular double-point. Edit: technically that's not an argument that such exist but it seems that since there's generically such a large family of these, one of them should satisfy the (!) condition.

It's a fairly elementary transversality argument to say that in a neighbourhood (in the sense of the compactified configuration space of 4 points on the knot) of that "degenerate" isosceles trapezoid, there is a 1-parameter family of genuine ones that approximate the degenerate one.

Well, I suspect such isoceles trapezoids always exist but the above argument has some holes in it.

In the configuration space of 4 points in $\mathbb R^3$, the subspace of isosceles trapezoids has codimension three. So on a generic knot, you'd expect a 1-parameter (possibly empty) family of isosceles trapezoids whose vertices sit on the knot.

edit:

Regarding your question about inscribed rectangles, I doubt there's a way to extract an invariant of knots from this. Generically a knot has only finitely many inscribed rectangles, but 1-parameter families of inscribed rectangles can degenerate, allowing two edges to come together.

At this degeneracy you have a configuration of two tangent vectors on the knot, where the vectors are parallel and the base-points are separated by an orthogonal vector. You can check that in the configuration space of two points along the knot, such configurations are co-dimension 3. So in general, a 1-parameter family of knots can have such degeneracies, and this would allow for a 1-parameter family of inscribed rectangles to collapse, allowing for an individual inscribed rectangle to slide-off the knot via a 1-parameter family of knots.

It's possible you can find a correction-term -- when the rectangle slides off the knot, perhaps there's another corresponding thing to count. But it's not clear to me what that should be.

Added qualifiers (!) to indicate where the argument isn't complete.
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In the configuration space of 4 points in $\mathbb R^3$, the subspace of isosceles trapezoids has codimension three. So on a generic knot, you'd expect a 1-parameter (possibly empty) family of isosceles trapezoids whose vertices sit on the knot.

Hmm, but do they actually occur -- I think there's a (?maybe?) simple answer yes. A sketch of an argument appears below but it has some gaps.

A degenerate isosceles trapezoids on a knot (when two of the points come together) is a secant together with a parallel tangent vector which is on plane (!) orthogonal to the mid-point of the secant (!). You get these by finding (non-regular) planar diagrams of the knot where there is a "cusp" type singularity (corresponding to the intermediate step in a Reidemeister 1 move) together with a regular double-point. Edit: technically that's not an argument that such exist but it seems that since there's generically such a large family of these, one of them should satisfy the (!) condition.

It's a fairly elementary transversality argument to say that in a neighbourhood (in the sense of the compactified configuration space of 4 points on the knot) of that "degenerate" isosceles trapezoid, there is a 1-parameter family of genuine ones that approximate the degenerate one.

So yes, since every non-trivial knot has a diagram with a cusp and a regular double-pointWell, I suspect such isoscelesisoceles trapezoids always exist onbut the knotabove argument has some holes in it.

In the configuration space of 4 points in $\mathbb R^3$, the subspace of isosceles trapezoids has codimension three. So on a generic knot, you'd expect a 1-parameter (possibly empty) family of isosceles trapezoids whose vertices sit on the knot.

Hmm, but do they actually occur -- I think there's a simple answer yes.

A degenerate isosceles trapezoids on a knot (when two of the points come together) is a secant together with a parallel tangent vector. You get these by finding (non-regular) planar diagrams of the knot where there is a "cusp" type singularity (corresponding to the intermediate step in a Reidemeister 1 move) together with a regular double-point.

It's a fairly elementary transversality argument to say that in a neighbourhood (in the sense of the compactified configuration space of 4 points on the knot) of that "degenerate" isosceles trapezoid, there is a 1-parameter family of genuine ones that approximate the degenerate one.

So yes, since every non-trivial knot has a diagram with a cusp and a regular double-point, such isosceles trapezoids always exist on the knot.

In the configuration space of 4 points in $\mathbb R^3$, the subspace of isosceles trapezoids has codimension three. So on a generic knot, you'd expect a 1-parameter (possibly empty) family of isosceles trapezoids whose vertices sit on the knot.

Hmm, but do they actually occur -- I think there's a (?maybe?) simple answer yes. A sketch of an argument appears below but it has some gaps.

A degenerate isosceles trapezoids on a knot (when two of the points come together) is a secant together with a parallel tangent vector which is on plane (!) orthogonal to the mid-point of the secant (!). You get these by finding (non-regular) planar diagrams of the knot where there is a "cusp" type singularity (corresponding to the intermediate step in a Reidemeister 1 move) together with a regular double-point. Edit: technically that's not an argument that such exist but it seems that since there's generically such a large family of these, one of them should satisfy the (!) condition.

It's a fairly elementary transversality argument to say that in a neighbourhood (in the sense of the compactified configuration space of 4 points on the knot) of that "degenerate" isosceles trapezoid, there is a 1-parameter family of genuine ones that approximate the degenerate one.

Well, I suspect such isoceles trapezoids always exist but the above argument has some holes in it.

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