Timeline for Kro-necker versus Kron-ecker: which hyphenation is preferred? [closed]
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| May 25, 2011 at 17:54 | comment | added | mephisto | To further confuse the issue, hyphenation patterns are different in British English and American English. Roughly speaking, the former depends on the written structure of the word and the latter depends on its pronunciation. | |
| May 25, 2011 at 17:41 | comment | added | user9072 | Having read your addition in more detail now, two final remarks. 1. If you say that the etymology of Kronecker is obscure (as opposed to being sure it is Kron+something), then you have to hyphenate Kro-necker (except you find somebody who says the pron. is different). A necessary but not even sufficient condition for Kron-ecker being perhaps (also) correct is that the etymologie is definitely Kron+; this is the only reason anybody gave for that hyphenation. 2. It is clearly Rie-mann and not Riem-ann; e.g., as the pron., which you could find in the list I linked to, is like this. | |
| May 25, 2011 at 12:30 | comment | added | user9072 | simplify understanding. Thus one hyphenates at a break in meaning if there is meaning. But for a name there is no meaning, and thus one hyphenates along pronunciation. If the line ends Kro- one will asumme a word that starts (sylable wise) Kro such as Kro necker. If it ends Kron- one will assume something that starts with Kron , maybe Kron heimer. There are actual words similar to Kronecker such as Kronerbe and maybe Kronacker, which would be hyphenated Kron- but they are also pronunced 'Kron er be' and 'Kron acker', not 'Kro nerbe' or 'Kro nacker'. Needless to say, do as you like. | |
| May 25, 2011 at 12:19 | comment | added | user9072 | assume (wrongly) a different pronunciation, so that both human and machine algorithms might fail on this name if they don't know the pronunciation (a perhaps not overly unlikely assumption for a technical-editor). It is true that older rules stressed more the structure, though as said for a name that does not match a word I'd maintain there is no real structure: however, the direction in which the rules evolve is towards pronunciation with the last change some five years ago, which makes historical comparisons less valuable. Finally, for all I know the hyp-rules are as they are to... | |
| May 25, 2011 at 12:13 | comment | added | user9072 | To be honest, I am a bit surprised by your conclusion; after all there is one comment that says the hyphenation you now want to use is forbidden (Konrad Waldorf), and I argued at length (with references, one provided by somebody else in the comments) that Kro-necker is certainly admissible. As it is admissible to follow the pronunciation, and the pron. is referenced and nobody said it is different. If the pron. were Kron ecker also the hyphenation would be Kron-ecker; but it is not. As I also explained there are reasons why people just seeing this (btw very rare) name written might actually | |
| May 25, 2011 at 12:12 | history | closed |
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| May 25, 2011 at 12:09 | history | edited | John Sidles | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 25, 2011 at 11:25 | history | edited | John Sidles | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 25, 2011 at 9:58 | comment | added | user9072 | Peter Shor, actually I believe not. At least I was under the impression, but have not good reference to back it up, that words of foreign origin, in this case the German name, should be treated according to the rules of its language. | |
| May 25, 2011 at 6:10 | comment | added | Douglas Zare | We could choose the widths of book pages so that we don't need to hyphenate the word, at least from 52,011 onwards. | |
| May 25, 2011 at 2:16 | answer | added | Michael Renardy | timeline score: 2 | |
| May 25, 2011 at 1:47 | comment | added | Michael Hardy | That the location of a hyphen can matter is seen in the following examples: riders-hip, its-elf, code-pendents, lighty-ears, misty-ped, ong-oing, men-swear, skip-ants, re-ached, mans-laughter, cave-at. | |
| May 25, 2011 at 1:37 | comment | added | Peter Shor | Given that you're writing in English rather than German, shouldn't you be using English hyphenation rules rather than German ones? In which case, based on the pronunciation, it would be Kro-neck-er if you pronounce it with a long o, and Kron-eck-er if you pronounce it with a short o. | |
| May 25, 2011 at 1:28 | answer | added | Theo Johnson-Freyd | timeline score: 6 | |
| May 24, 2011 at 17:25 | answer | added | user9072 | timeline score: 8 | |
| May 24, 2011 at 17:18 | answer | added | Stefan Geschke | timeline score: 9 | |
| May 24, 2011 at 17:05 | history | asked | John Sidles | CC BY-SA 3.0 |