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Let me record an observation that emerged in the comments.

Theorem. There is a model of ZCA in which the GCH holds for all pure sets, but not generally for all sets.

Proof. We work in ZFC, and assume GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$, but fails at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Using the methods of my paper

we can interpret a model of ZFCA as $V[[A]]$, in which $A$ is a set of urelements of size $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Now, chop this model off at rank $\omega+\omega$ to form $W=V_{\omega+\omega}[[A]]$. It is easy to see that this is a model of ZCA. In particular, we have the axiom of choice here, and every set has a well order.

The pure sets of $W$ are exactly the sets in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. And since the GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$ in the original model $V$, we have the GCH holding in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. So the GCH holds in the pure sets of $W$.

But the GCH fails between $A$ and $P(A)$, since in $V[[A]]$ there are failures of GCH at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. So this is a model of ZCA where the GCH holds in the inner model of pure sets, but fails generally. $\Box$

Since this method proceeds from a ZFC model with a failure of GCH higher up, it doesn't really explain how one might have used urelements to find a violation of GCH directly, which to my understanding might be part of the motivation of the question. But still, I find the situation identified in the theorem interesting and worthwhile to explore. The proof here shows a general method of transferring behavior from high rank in a ZFC model to a occur in a model of ZCA, which does not have that behavior in the pure sets.

Let me record an observation that emerged in the comments.

Theorem. There is a model of ZCA in which the GCH holds for all pure sets, but not generally for all sets.

Proof. We work in ZFC, and assume GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$, but fails at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Using the methods of my paper

we can interpret a model of ZFCA as $V[[A]]$, in which $A$ is a set of urelements of size $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Now, chop this model off at rank $\omega+\omega$ to form $W=V_{\omega+\omega}[[A]]$. It is easy to see that this is a model of ZCA. In particular, we have the axiom of choice here, and every set has a well order.

The pure sets of $W$ are exactly the sets in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. And since the GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$ in the original model $V$, we have the GCH holding in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. So the GCH holds in the pure sets of $W$.

But the GCH fails between $A$ and $P(A)$, since in $V[[A]]$ there are failures of GCH at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. So this is a model of ZCA where the GCH holds in the inner model of pure sets, but fails generally. $\Box$

Since this method proceeds from a ZFC model with a failure of GCH higher up, it doesn't really explain how one might have used urelements to find a violation of GCH directly. But still, I find the situation identified in the theorem interesting and worthwhile to explore.

Let me record an observation that emerged in the comments.

Theorem. There is a model of ZCA in which the GCH holds for all pure sets, but not generally for all sets.

Proof. We work in ZFC, and assume GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$, but fails at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Using the methods of my paper

we can interpret a model of ZFCA as $V[[A]]$, in which $A$ is a set of urelements of size $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Now, chop this model off at rank $\omega+\omega$ to form $W=V_{\omega+\omega}[[A]]$. It is easy to see that this is a model of ZCA. In particular, we have the axiom of choice here, and every set has a well order.

The pure sets of $W$ are exactly the sets in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. And since the GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$ in the original model $V$, we have the GCH holding in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. So the GCH holds in the pure sets of $W$.

But the GCH fails between $A$ and $P(A)$, since in $V[[A]]$ there are failures of GCH at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. So this is a model of ZCA where the GCH holds in the inner model of pure sets, but fails generally. $\Box$

Since this method proceeds from a ZFC model with a failure of GCH higher up, it doesn't really explain how one might have used urelements to find a violation of GCH directly, which to my understanding might be part of the motivation of the question. But still, I find the situation identified in the theorem interesting and worthwhile to explore. The proof here shows a general method of transferring behavior from high rank in a ZFC model to a occur in a model of ZCA, which does not have that behavior in the pure sets.

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Joel David Hamkins
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Let me record an observation that emerged in the comments.

Theorem. There is a model of ZCA in which the GCH holds for all pure sets, but not generally for all sets.

Proof. We work in ZFC, and assume GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$, but fails at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Using the methods of my paper

we can interpret a model of ZFCA as $V[[A]]$, in which $A$ is a set of urelements of size $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Now, chop this model off at rank $\omega+\omega$ to form $W=V_{\omega+\omega}[[A]]$. It is easy to see that this is a model of ZCA. In particular, we have the axiom of choice here, and every set has a well order.

The pure sets of $W$ are exactly the sets in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. And since the GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$ in the original model $V$, we have the GCH holding in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. So the GCH holds in the pure sets of $W$.

But the GCH fails between $A$ and $P(A)$, since in $V[[A]]$ there are failures of GCH at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. So this is a model of ZCA where the GCH holds in the inner model of pure sets, but fails generally. $\Box$

Since this method proceeds from a ZFC model with a failure of GCH higher up, it doesn't really explain how one might have used urelements to find a violation of GCH directly. But still, I find the situation identified in the theorem interesting and worthwhile to explore.

Let me record an observation that emerged in the comments.

Theorem. There is a model of ZCA in which the GCH holds for all pure sets, but not generally for all sets.

Proof. We work in ZFC. Using the methods of my paper

we can interpret a model of ZFCA as $V[[A]]$, in which $A$ is a set of urelements of size $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Now, chop this model off at rank $\omega+\omega$ to form $W=V_{\omega+\omega}[[A]]$. It is easy to see that this is a model of ZCA. In particular, we have the axiom of choice here, and every set has a well order.

The pure sets of $W$ are exactly the sets in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. And since the GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$ in the original model $V$, we have the GCH holding in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. So the GCH holds in the pure sets of $W$.

But the GCH fails between $A$ and $P(A)$, since in $V[[A]]$ there are failures of GCH at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. So this is a model of ZCA where the GCH holds in the inner model of pure sets, but fails generally. $\Box$

Let me record an observation that emerged in the comments.

Theorem. There is a model of ZCA in which the GCH holds for all pure sets, but not generally for all sets.

Proof. We work in ZFC, and assume GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$, but fails at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Using the methods of my paper

we can interpret a model of ZFCA as $V[[A]]$, in which $A$ is a set of urelements of size $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Now, chop this model off at rank $\omega+\omega$ to form $W=V_{\omega+\omega}[[A]]$. It is easy to see that this is a model of ZCA. In particular, we have the axiom of choice here, and every set has a well order.

The pure sets of $W$ are exactly the sets in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. And since the GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$ in the original model $V$, we have the GCH holding in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. So the GCH holds in the pure sets of $W$.

But the GCH fails between $A$ and $P(A)$, since in $V[[A]]$ there are failures of GCH at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. So this is a model of ZCA where the GCH holds in the inner model of pure sets, but fails generally. $\Box$

Since this method proceeds from a ZFC model with a failure of GCH higher up, it doesn't really explain how one might have used urelements to find a violation of GCH directly. But still, I find the situation identified in the theorem interesting and worthwhile to explore.

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Joel David Hamkins
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Let me record an observation that emerged in the comments.

Theorem. There is a model of ZCA in which the GCH holds for all pure sets, but not generally for all sets.

Proof. We work in ZFC. Using the methods of my paper

we can interpret a model of ZFCA as $V[[A]]$, in which $A$ is a set of urelements of size $\beth_{\omega+1}$. Now, chop this model off at rank $\omega+\omega$ to form $W=V_{\omega+\omega}[[A]]$. It is easy to see that this is a model of ZCA. In particular, we have the axiom of choice here, and every set has a well order.

The pure sets of $W$ are exactly the sets in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. And since the GCH holds up to $\beth_\omega$ in the original model $V$, we have the GCH holding in $V_{\omega+\omega}$. So the GCH holds in the pure sets of $W$.

But the GCH fails between $A$ and $P(A)$, since in $V[[A]]$ there are failures of GCH at $\beth_{\omega+1}$. So this is a model of ZCA where the GCH holds in the inner model of pure sets, but fails generally. $\Box$