Timeline for Understanding $(\mathbb{Z}/3)^2 \times_{\mathbb{Z}/3} M$
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Jul 27, 2023 at 23:12 | vote | accept | Noah B | ||
Jul 27, 2023 at 14:15 | comment | added | Noah B | @DavidRoberts That all makes sense! Thank you so much! | |
Jul 27, 2023 at 13:33 | answer | added | Tom Goodwillie | timeline score: 3 | |
Jul 27, 2023 at 7:39 | comment | added | David Roberts♦ | If so, take $(i,j) = (-n,-m)+\phi(k)$, so that $(i,j)\cdot ((n,m), x) := (\phi(k), x) = ((0,0),k\cdot x)$. Then the quotient by this action means that $[((i,j),x)] = [((0,0),k\cdot x)]$ in the quotient space, for every $k\in \mathbb{Z}/3$. Thus in particular $[((0,0),x)] = [((0,0),k\cdot x)]=[((i,j),x)]$. So the $(\mathbb{Z}/3)^2$ factor is killed off, and the left-over quotient gives us $S^5/(\mathbb{Z}/3)$, which given the appropriate action on the sphere, is the lens space. | |
Jul 27, 2023 at 7:32 | comment | added | David Roberts♦ | If $((n,m), k\cdot x) \simeq ((n,m)+\phi(k),x)$, where $n,m,k \in \mathbb{Z}/3,\ x\in S^5$, then I guess $(i,j)\in (\mathbb{Z}/3)^2$ acts on $(\mathbb{Z}/3)^2\times_{\mathbb{Z}/3} S^5$ by $(i,j)\cdot ((n,m), x) := ((i,j)+(n,m), x)$? | |
Jul 27, 2023 at 6:42 | comment | added | Noah B | @DavidRoberts Cool, thank you! For the $S^5$ case, will our space $((\mathbb{Z}_3)^2 \times_{\mathbb{Z}_3} S^5)/(\mathbb{Z}_3)^2$ be the lens space $L_3^5$? | |
Jul 27, 2023 at 6:37 | comment | added | David Roberts♦ | @NoahB OK, based on the "check", I would assume that what is meant is what I wrote in my comment. | |
Jul 27, 2023 at 6:32 | history | edited | Noah B | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 27, 2023 at 6:32 | comment | added | Noah B | @DavidRoberts I have not seen a construction like this either. Given Theorem 1.2 on page 2 from the cited paper, it seems like the case of $S^1 \times S^1$ is allowed, or any product of odd dimensional spheres for that matter. My check is coming from the remarks preceding Theorem 1.2. | |
Jul 27, 2023 at 6:12 | comment | added | David Roberts♦ | @NoahB I'm not sure. I've not seen a lens space built from a torus like that! Was that meant to be $S^n\times S^n$ for $n\gt1$? | |
Jul 26, 2023 at 3:08 | comment | added | Noah B | @DavidRoberts Is this definition compatible with the check I included? | |
Jul 26, 2023 at 2:18 | history | edited | Noah B | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 26, 2023 at 0:52 | history | edited | David Roberts♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 26, 2023 at 0:50 | comment | added | David Roberts♦ | It might also mean mod out by the anti-diagonal action, so that you are identifying $(gn,p)\sim (g,np)$, rather than $(gn,np)\sim (g,p)$; the former is more like a tensor product than the latter, and it is what one would use for making an associated bundle. Here the associated bundle is one with fibre $(\mathbb{Z}/3)^2$ over the lens space, rather than the $\mathbb{Z}/3$-bundle given by the quotient map. | |
Jul 25, 2023 at 23:49 | comment | added | Noah B | That’s interesting. The lens space $L^5_3$ I assume. | |
Jul 25, 2023 at 23:45 | comment | added | Ryan Budney | One lens space. One of the $\mathbb{Z}/3$ actions permutes the three copies of $S^5$, the other does the lens space action on them, individually. | |
Jul 25, 2023 at 23:43 | comment | added | Noah B | @RyanBudney Thanks for the response. As a follow up, what would $((\mathbb{Z}/3)^2\times_{\mathbb{Z}_3} S^5)/(\mathbb{Z}_3)^2$ be? Just three lens spaces? | |
Jul 25, 2023 at 23:23 | comment | added | Ryan Budney | This means you take the Cartesian product and mod out by the diagonal action. i.e. it is three copies of $S^5$. The action of $(\mathbb{Z}/3)^2$ basically just permutes the three factors, and does the lens space action, independently. If you look at Tom Dieck's book on transformation groups (equivariant homotopy theory, etc) you will see this is standard notation in the field. | |
Jul 25, 2023 at 23:11 | comment | added | Vik78 | @NoahB I don't know, but if you know how to show that I would be very interested to see it | |
Jul 25, 2023 at 22:17 | comment | added | Noah B | @Vik78 This is what I was thinking too. Then we would think of $(\mathbb{Z}/3)^2\times_{\mathbb{Z}/3} S^5$ as a disjoint union of lens spaces? | |
Jul 25, 2023 at 22:06 | comment | added | Vik78 | This is a guess, but I think it's a sort of "tensor". You have groups $H \subseteq G$ and $H$ acting on a set $X$. The object you want is the Cartesian product $G \times X$ modulo the relations $(gh, x) \sim (g, hx)$ for all $g, h, x$. The $G$–action acts on the first coordinate. | |
Jul 25, 2023 at 22:04 | history | edited | Noah B | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 25, 2023 at 22:02 | comment | added | Alec Rhea | A blind guess from category theory: it is the pullback of $(\mathbb{Z}/3)^2$ and $S^5$ along the relevant morphisms into $\mathbb{Z}/3$. | |
Jul 25, 2023 at 21:50 | history | asked | Noah B | CC BY-SA 4.0 |