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While talking about tetration with my friend the following idea (re)occured.

$$f(f(z)) = z ,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z)) \tag{A}\label{A}$$

or variations of it like the weaker

$$f(f(f(f(z)))) = z ,\quad f(\exp(\exp(z))) = \exp(\exp(f(z))). \tag{B}\label{B}$$

Now clearly if $f$ satisfies equation \ref{A} it also satisfies equation \ref{B}, but not necessarily the other way around.

What are analytic solutions $f(z)$ for some local region $D$ bounded by a jordan curve $C$ where $z,f(z),\exp(z),f(\exp(z)),\exp(f(z))$ are in $D$ ( $D$ being the interior part of the curve $C$), that satisfy

$$f(f(z)) = z,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z))?$$

without the trivial $f(z)=z$ ofcourse.

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One idea is to use Carleman matrices and Diagonalize.

Consider the Carleman matrix of size $n \times n$ for the exp :

$$M_n(\exp(z)) =A_n$$.

Now diagonalize

$$A_n = P_n \times D_n \times P_n^{-1}$$

Then we can define $f(z)$ by Carleman matrix of size $n \times n$ :

$$M_n(f(z)) =B_n$$.

$$B_n = P_n \times D*_n \times P_n^{-1}$$

where $D*_n$ is the diagonal matrix of size $n$ with all $-1$ on the diagonal.

This way we get

$$B_n^2 = D°$$

where $D°$ is the (diagonal) Carleman matrix of $id(z)$.

and

$$A_n B_n = B_n A_n$$

as desired.

Now let $n$ increase and hope for convergeanceconvergence. And nonzero radius.

And ofcourse we assume diagonalization is always possible.

Might this work ? How to prove it ? What is the result ?

This method does seem to prefer the carleman interpretation of tetration ofcourse, which is not my bias but a consequence of the idea of using eigenvalues and matrices by lack of other " simple " ideas.


While talking about tetration with my friend the following idea (re)occured.

$$f(f(z)) = z ,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z)) \tag{A}\label{A}$$

or variations of it like the weaker

$$f(f(f(f(z)))) = z ,\quad f(\exp(\exp(z))) = \exp(\exp(f(z))). \tag{B}\label{B}$$

Now clearly if $f$ satisfies equation \ref{A} it also satisfies equation \ref{B}, but not necessarily the other way around.

What are analytic solutions $f(z)$ for some local region $D$ bounded by a jordan curve $C$ where $z,f(z),\exp(z),f(\exp(z)),\exp(f(z))$ are in $D$ ( $D$ being the interior part of the curve $C$), that satisfy

$$f(f(z)) = z,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z))?$$

without the trivial $f(z)=z$ ofcourse.

edit

One idea is to use Carleman matrices and Diagonalize.

Consider the Carleman matrix of size $n \times n$ for the exp :

$$M_n(\exp(z)) =A_n$$.

Now diagonalize

$$A_n = P_n \times D_n \times P_n^{-1}$$

Then we can define $f(z)$ by Carleman matrix of size $n \times n$ :

$$M_n(f(z)) =B_n$$.

$$B_n = P_n \times D*_n \times P_n^{-1}$$

where $D*_n$ is the diagonal matrix of size $n$ with all $-1$ on the diagonal.

This way we get

$$B_n^2 = D°$$

where $D°$ is the (diagonal) Carleman matrix of $id(z)$.

and

$$A_n B_n = B_n A_n$$

as desired.

Now let $n$ increase and hope for convergeance. And nonzero radius.

And ofcourse we assume diagonalization is always possible.

Might this work ? How to prove it ? What is the result ?

This method does seem to prefer the carleman interpretation of tetration ofcourse, which is not my bias but a consequence of the idea of using eigenvalues and matrices by lack of other " simple " ideas.


While talking about tetration with my friend the following idea (re)occured.

$$f(f(z)) = z ,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z)) \tag{A}\label{A}$$

or variations of it like the weaker

$$f(f(f(f(z)))) = z ,\quad f(\exp(\exp(z))) = \exp(\exp(f(z))). \tag{B}\label{B}$$

Now clearly if $f$ satisfies equation \ref{A} it also satisfies equation \ref{B}, but not necessarily the other way around.

What are analytic solutions $f(z)$ for some local region $D$ bounded by a jordan curve $C$ where $z,f(z),\exp(z),f(\exp(z)),\exp(f(z))$ are in $D$ ( $D$ being the interior part of the curve $C$), that satisfy

$$f(f(z)) = z,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z))?$$

without the trivial $f(z)=z$ ofcourse.

edit

One idea is to use Carleman matrices and Diagonalize.

Consider the Carleman matrix of size $n \times n$ for the exp :

$$M_n(\exp(z)) =A_n$$.

Now diagonalize

$$A_n = P_n \times D_n \times P_n^{-1}$$

Then we can define $f(z)$ by Carleman matrix of size $n \times n$ :

$$M_n(f(z)) =B_n$$.

$$B_n = P_n \times D*_n \times P_n^{-1}$$

where $D*_n$ is the diagonal matrix of size $n$ with all $-1$ on the diagonal.

This way we get

$$B_n^2 = D°$$

where $D°$ is the (diagonal) Carleman matrix of $id(z)$.

and

$$A_n B_n = B_n A_n$$

as desired.

Now let $n$ increase and hope for convergence. And nonzero radius.

And ofcourse we assume diagonalization is always possible.

Might this work ? How to prove it ? What is the result ?

This method does seem to prefer the carleman interpretation of tetration ofcourse, which is not my bias but a consequence of the idea of using eigenvalues and matrices by lack of other " simple " ideas.


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While talking about tetration with my friend the following idea (re)occured.

$$f(f(z)) = z ,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z)) \tag{A}\label{A}$$

or variations of it like the weaker

$$f(f(f(f(z)))) = z ,\quad f(\exp(\exp(z))) = \exp(\exp(f(z))). \tag{B}\label{B}$$

Now clearly if $f$ satisfies equation \ref{A} it also satisfies equation \ref{B}, but not necessarily the other way around.

What are analytic solutions $f(z)$ for some local region $D$ bounded by a jordan curve $C$ where $z,f(z),\exp(z),f(\exp(z)),\exp(f(z))$ are in $D$ ( $D$ being the interior part of the curve $C$), that satisfy

$$f(f(z)) = z,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z))?$$

without the trivial $f(z)=z$ ofcourse.

edit

One idea is to use Carleman matrices and Diagonalize.

Consider the Carleman matrix of size $n \times n$ for the exp :

$$M_n(\exp(z)) =A_n$$.

Now diagonalize

$$A_n = P_n \times D_n \times P_n^{-1}$$

Then we can define $f(z)$ by Carleman matrix of size $n \times n$ :

$$M_n(f(z)) =B_n$$.

$$B_n = P_n \times D*_n \times P_n^{-1}$$

where $D*_n$ is the diagonal matrix of size $n$ with all $-1$ on the diagonal.

This way we get

$$B_n^2 = D°$$

where $D°$ is the (diagonal) Carleman matrix of $id(z)$.

and

$$A_n B_n = B_n A_n$$

as desired.

Now let $n$ increase and hope for convergeance. And nonzero radius.

And ofcourse we assume diagonalization is always possible.

Might this work ? How to prove it ? What is the result ?

This method does seem to prefer the carleman interpretation of tetration ofcourse, which is not my bias but a consequence of the idea of using eigenvalues and matrices by lack of other " simple " ideas.


While talking about tetration with my friend the following idea (re)occured.

$$f(f(z)) = z ,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z)) \tag{A}\label{A}$$

or variations of it like the weaker

$$f(f(f(f(z)))) = z ,\quad f(\exp(\exp(z))) = \exp(\exp(f(z))). \tag{B}\label{B}$$

Now clearly if $f$ satisfies equation \ref{A} it also satisfies equation \ref{B}, but not necessarily the other way around.

What are analytic solutions $f(z)$ for some local region $D$ bounded by a jordan curve $C$ where $z,f(z),\exp(z),f(\exp(z)),\exp(f(z))$ are in $D$ ( $D$ being the interior part of the curve $C$), that satisfy

$$f(f(z)) = z,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z))?$$

without the trivial $f(z)=z$ ofcourse.

While talking about tetration with my friend the following idea (re)occured.

$$f(f(z)) = z ,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z)) \tag{A}\label{A}$$

or variations of it like the weaker

$$f(f(f(f(z)))) = z ,\quad f(\exp(\exp(z))) = \exp(\exp(f(z))). \tag{B}\label{B}$$

Now clearly if $f$ satisfies equation \ref{A} it also satisfies equation \ref{B}, but not necessarily the other way around.

What are analytic solutions $f(z)$ for some local region $D$ bounded by a jordan curve $C$ where $z,f(z),\exp(z),f(\exp(z)),\exp(f(z))$ are in $D$ ( $D$ being the interior part of the curve $C$), that satisfy

$$f(f(z)) = z,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z))?$$

without the trivial $f(z)=z$ ofcourse.

edit

One idea is to use Carleman matrices and Diagonalize.

Consider the Carleman matrix of size $n \times n$ for the exp :

$$M_n(\exp(z)) =A_n$$.

Now diagonalize

$$A_n = P_n \times D_n \times P_n^{-1}$$

Then we can define $f(z)$ by Carleman matrix of size $n \times n$ :

$$M_n(f(z)) =B_n$$.

$$B_n = P_n \times D*_n \times P_n^{-1}$$

where $D*_n$ is the diagonal matrix of size $n$ with all $-1$ on the diagonal.

This way we get

$$B_n^2 = D°$$

where $D°$ is the (diagonal) Carleman matrix of $id(z)$.

and

$$A_n B_n = B_n A_n$$

as desired.

Now let $n$ increase and hope for convergeance. And nonzero radius.

And ofcourse we assume diagonalization is always possible.

Might this work ? How to prove it ? What is the result ?

This method does seem to prefer the carleman interpretation of tetration ofcourse, which is not my bias but a consequence of the idea of using eigenvalues and matrices by lack of other " simple " ideas.


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While talking about tetration with my friend the following idea (re)occured.

$$f(f(z)) = z ,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z)) \tag{A}\label{A}$$

or variations of it like the weaker

$$f(f(f(f(z)))) = z ,\quad f(\exp(\exp(z))) = \exp(\exp(f(z))). \tag{B}\label{B}$$

Now clearly if $f$ satisfies equation \ref{A} it also satisfies equation \ref{B}, but not necessarily the other way around.

What are analytic solutions $f(z)$ for some local region $D$ bounded by a jordan curve $C$ where $z,f(z),\exp(z),f(\exp(z)),\exp(f(z))$ are in $D$ ( $D$ being the interior part of the curve $C$), that satisfy

$$f(f(z)) = z,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z))?$$

without the trivial $f(z)=z$ ofcourse.

While talking about tetration with my friend the following idea (re)occured.

$$f(f(z)) = z ,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z)) \tag{A}\label{A}$$

or variations of it like the weaker

$$f(f(f(f(z)))) = z ,\quad f(\exp(\exp(z))) = \exp(\exp(f(z))). \tag{B}\label{B}$$

Now clearly if $f$ satisfies equation \ref{A} it also satisfies equation \ref{B}, but not necessarily the other way around.

What are analytic solutions $f(z)$ for some local region $D$ bounded by a jordan curve $C$ where $z,f(z),\exp(z),f(\exp(z)),\exp(f(z))$ are in $D$ ( $D$ being the interior part of the curve $C$), that satisfy

$$f(f(z)) = z,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z))?$$

While talking about tetration with my friend the following idea (re)occured.

$$f(f(z)) = z ,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z)) \tag{A}\label{A}$$

or variations of it like the weaker

$$f(f(f(f(z)))) = z ,\quad f(\exp(\exp(z))) = \exp(\exp(f(z))). \tag{B}\label{B}$$

Now clearly if $f$ satisfies equation \ref{A} it also satisfies equation \ref{B}, but not necessarily the other way around.

What are analytic solutions $f(z)$ for some local region $D$ bounded by a jordan curve $C$ where $z,f(z),\exp(z),f(\exp(z)),\exp(f(z))$ are in $D$ ( $D$ being the interior part of the curve $C$), that satisfy

$$f(f(z)) = z,\quad f(\exp(z)) = \exp(f(z))?$$

without the trivial $f(z)=z$ ofcourse.

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