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If I understand the question correctly, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ isn't in the image of the natural map $A(G) \to R(G)$ when $G = Q_{8},$ the quaternion group of order $8$.

The number of square roots of the identity in $G$ is $2$, the number of square roots of the central involution $z$ in $G$ is $6$, and the number of square roots of each element of order $4$ is $0$.

Hence we have $\nu^{2}(1) = \lambda_{1} + \lambda_{2}+ \lambda_{3} + \lambda_{4} - \chi$, where the $\lambda_{i}$ are the linear characters of $G$ and $\chi$ is the unique irreducible character of $G$ of degree $2$.

Now I claim that this virtual character is not a difference of permutation characters. Indeed, it is not even a difference of characters afforded by virtual $\mathbb{R}G$-modules.

For the irreducible character $\chi$ has real Schur index $2$, so occurs with even multiplicity in any character of $G$ afforded by an $\mathbb{R}G$-module.

Hence $\chi$ occurs with even multiplicity in any difference of permutation characters, so that $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters.

More generally, if $G$ is any finite group of even order which has an irreducible character $\chi$ with Frobenius-Schur indicator $-1$, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters of $G$.

An induction theorem of G. Segal may be relevant to trying to characterize exceptions for which $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not a virtual permutation character of $G$.

If I understand the question correctly, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ isn't in the image of the natural map $A(G) \to R(G)$ when $G = Q_{8},$ the quaternion group of order $8$.

The number of square roots of the identity in $G$ is $2$, the number of square roots of the central involution $z$ in $G$ is $6$, and the number of square roots of each element of order $4$ is $0$.

Hence we have $\nu^{2}(1) = \lambda_{1} + \lambda_{2}+ \lambda_{3} + \lambda_{4} - \chi$, where the $\lambda_{i}$ are the linear characters of $G$ and $\chi$ is the unique irreducible character of $G$ of degree $2$.

Now I claim that this virtual character is not a difference of permutation characters. Indeed, it is not even a difference of characters afforded by virtual $\mathbb{R}G$-modules.

For the irreducible character $\chi$ has real Schur index $2$, so occurs with even multiplicity in any character of $G$ afforded by an $\mathbb{R}G$-module.

Hence $\chi$ occurs with even multiplicity in any difference of permutation characters, so that $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters.

More generally, if $G$ is any finite group of even order which has an irreducible character $\chi$ with Frobenius-Schur indicator $-1$, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters of $G$.

An induction theorem of G. Segal may be relevant to trying to characterize exceptions for which $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not a virtual permutation character of $G$.

If I understand the question correctly, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ isn't in the image of the natural map $A(G) \to R(G)$ when $G = Q_{8},$ the quaternion group of order $8$.

The number of square roots of the identity in $G$ is $2$, the number of square roots of the central involution $z$ in $G$ is $6$, and the number of square roots of each element of order $4$ is $0$.

Hence we have $\nu^{2}(1) = \lambda_{1} + \lambda_{2}+ \lambda_{3} + \lambda_{4} - \chi$, where the $\lambda_{i}$ are the linear characters of $G$ and $\chi$ is the unique irreducible character of $G$ of degree $2$.

Now I claim that this virtual character is not a difference of permutation characters. Indeed, it is not even a difference of characters afforded by $\mathbb{R}G$-modules.

For the irreducible character $\chi$ has real Schur index $2$, so occurs with even multiplicity in any character of $G$ afforded by an $\mathbb{R}G$-module.

Hence $\chi$ occurs with even multiplicity in any difference of permutation characters, so that $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters.

More generally, if $G$ is any finite group of even order which has an irreducible character $\chi$ with Frobenius-Schur indicator $-1$, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters of $G$.

An induction theorem of G. Segal may be relevant to trying to characterize exceptions for which $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not a virtual permutation character of $G$.

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Geoff Robinson
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If I understand the question correctly, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ isn't in the image of the natural map $A(G) \to R(G)$ when $G = Q_{8},$ the quaternion group of order $8$.

The number of square roots of the identity in $G$ is $2$, the number of square roots of the central involution $z$ in $G$ is $6$, and the number of square roots of each element of order $4$ is $0$.

Hence we have $\nu^{2}(1) = \lambda_{1} + \lambda_{2}+ \lambda_{3} + \lambda_{4} - \chi$, where the $\lambda_{i}$ are the linear characters of $G$ and $\chi$ is the unique irreducible character of $G$ of degree $2$.

Now I claim that this virtual character is not a difference of permutation characters. Indeed, it is not even a difference of characters afforded by a a virtual $\mathbb{R}G$-modulemodules.

For the irreducible character $\chi$ has real Schur index $2$, so occurs with even multiplicity in any character of $G$ afforded by an $\mathbb{R}G$-module.

Hence $\chi$ occurs with even multiplicity in any difference of permutation characters, so that $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters.

More generally, if $G$ is any finite group of even order which has an irreducible character $\chi$ with Frobenius-Schur indicator $-1$, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters of $G$.

An induction theorem of G. Segal may be relevant to trying to characterize exceptions for which $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not a virtual permutation character of $G$.

If I understand the question correctly, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ isn't in the image of the natural map $A(G) \to R(G)$ when $G = Q_{8},$ the quaternion group of order $8$.

The number of square roots of the identity in $G$ is $2$, the number of square roots of the central involution $z$ in $G$ is $6$, and the number of square roots of each element of order $4$ is $0$.

Hence we have $\nu^{2}(1) = \lambda_{1} + \lambda_{2}+ \lambda_{3} + \lambda_{4} - \chi$, where the $\lambda_{i}$ are the linear characters of $G$ and $\chi$ is the unique irreducible character of $G$ of degree $2$.

Now I claim that this virtual character is not a difference of permutation characters. Indeed, it is not even a difference of characters afforded by a a virtual $\mathbb{R}G$-module.

For the irreducible character $\chi$ has real Schur index $2$, so occurs with even multiplicity in any character of $G$ afforded by an $\mathbb{R}G$-module.

Hence $\chi$ occurs with even multiplicity in any difference of permutation characters, so that $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters.

More generally, if $G$ is any finite group of even order which has an irreducible character $\chi$ with Frobenius-Schur indicator $-1$, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters of $G$.

An induction theorem of G. Segal may be relevant to trying to characterize exceptions for which $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not a virtual permutation character of $G$.

If I understand the question correctly, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ isn't in the image of the natural map $A(G) \to R(G)$ when $G = Q_{8},$ the quaternion group of order $8$.

The number of square roots of the identity in $G$ is $2$, the number of square roots of the central involution $z$ in $G$ is $6$, and the number of square roots of each element of order $4$ is $0$.

Hence we have $\nu^{2}(1) = \lambda_{1} + \lambda_{2}+ \lambda_{3} + \lambda_{4} - \chi$, where the $\lambda_{i}$ are the linear characters of $G$ and $\chi$ is the unique irreducible character of $G$ of degree $2$.

Now I claim that this virtual character is not a difference of permutation characters. Indeed, it is not even a difference of characters afforded by virtual $\mathbb{R}G$-modules.

For the irreducible character $\chi$ has real Schur index $2$, so occurs with even multiplicity in any character of $G$ afforded by an $\mathbb{R}G$-module.

Hence $\chi$ occurs with even multiplicity in any difference of permutation characters, so that $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters.

More generally, if $G$ is any finite group of even order which has an irreducible character $\chi$ with Frobenius-Schur indicator $-1$, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters of $G$.

An induction theorem of G. Segal may be relevant to trying to characterize exceptions for which $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not a virtual permutation character of $G$.

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Geoff Robinson
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If I understand the question correctly, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ isn't in the image of the natural map $A(G) \to R(G)$ when $G = Q_{8},$ the quaternion group of order $8$.

The number of square roots of the identity in $G$ is $2$, the number of square roots of the central involution $z$ in $G$ is $6$, and the number of square roots of each element of order $4$ is $0$.

Hence we have $\nu^{2}(1) = \lambda_{1} + \lambda_{2}+ \lambda_{3} + \lambda_{4} - \chi$, where the $\lambda_{i}$ are the linear characters of $G$ and $\chi$ is the unique irreducible character of $G$ of degree $2$.

Now I claim that this virtual character is not a difference of permutation characters. Indeed, it is not even a difference of characters afforded by a a virtual $\mathbb{R}G$-module.

For the irreducible character $\chi$ has real Schur index $2$, so occurs with even multiplicity in any character of $G$ afforded by an $\mathbb{R}G$-module.

Hence $\chi$ occurs with even multiplicity in any difference of permutation characters, so that $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters.

More generally, if $G$ is any finite group of even order which has an irreducible character $\chi$ with Frobenius-Schur indicator $-1$, then $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not expressible as a difference of permutation characters of $G$.

An induction theorem of G. Segal may be relevant to trying to characterize exceptions for which $\nu^{2}(1)$ is not a virtual permutation character of $G$.